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QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Feb 12, 2011 -> 02:41 PM) Craft has no chance against Taylor He went Vinnie Johnson on them, nothing craft did. And the Kohl center strikes again. Good thing it won't factor into any meaningful games later on.

QUOTE (dasox24 @ Feb 12, 2011 -> 03:03 AM) Uh, yeah... Dude, I'm 22. I wasn't old enough to watch any of those guys, except for an old Stockton and Shaq was awesome, but I hated the Lakers so it was hard to root for him. I guess i don't feel like im so much older than you. You would have liked Blake griffin 1.0 aka Shawn kemp.

Well the only legit MVP candidate from 2010 on the roster is Paul konerko

QUOTE (dasox24 @ Feb 11, 2011 -> 04:55 PM) I know I've never been a fan of a non-Bulls player as much as Blake Griffin. I love watching him play. Really? I would have to say I liked Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, young Shaq, Dominique, John Stockton to name a few more than I like Blake Griffin.

Ah, thank you Big Ten Network. I never get sick of watching Evan Turner break michigans heart.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Feb 11, 2011 -> 10:46 AM) It has to be fake or illegal. Dont squash my dreams.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 11, 2011 -> 10:19 AM) Does anyone know if the Skille deal freed up cap space, and if so, how much? I believe we took on quite a bit, like double what skille makes.

So I think i found a websites for hunting humans

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Feb 10, 2011 -> 10:16 PM) Nice win, payback for last years loss in Champaign. How many point blank layups did Minnesota miss though? Bad. It looked like the most intense game Illinois has played in quite awhile though, McCamey finally played with a purpose.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Feb 10, 2011 -> 02:50 PM) Sweet. The Range Rovers are very cool looking, but I don't love the interior on some of the recent models and the reliability of them is a bit frightening. I am going to be looking for something with a fairly decent size 2nd row seat as well as cargo space. No need for third row seating. Want something that isn't going to be super high to step into, as I don't want the dog to struggle to get in. The Grand Cherokee seems to be a nice midsize model with plenty of room and power; nice enough to please me and big enough for him. I'll be looking closely at the Jeeps and the Audi Q5, I imagine. The sleep thing about the jeep is that i have the quadra lift suspension and i can lower it down so my pup can jump in. the new interior is awesome and it really comes with everything. I looked at the q5 and q7 and the 7 was too expensive with the larger engine for me and the 5 just seemed too small and too much like a crossover. If you wait awhile and don't mind american cars, i heard the new durango was going to be sick. A lot of folks really love the 4 runner as well.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Feb 10, 2011 -> 01:05 PM) I'll take it off your hands. I own 0. You can have it, pm me your address

QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 10, 2011 -> 04:58 PM) One thing that Dilfer said about Newton that I agree with is how the ball seems to just fly out of his hand. After watching Locker in some of these workouts, Newton is far and away a better pick, IMO, than Jake. Newton has terrible mechanics, i don't understand how anyone can think they are good. He holds the ball low like Tebow and sidearms it while taking a hop.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Feb 10, 2011 -> 05:52 PM) You are just talking about different levels at that point. You feel that the line should be drawn at extreme torture, I feel that the killing of any animal could be considered torture. Thats called an opinion. And in many people's opinion Mark is a hypocrite. If you dont think its hypocritical to kill animals for fun and then wish harm on some one else that tortured animals, that is entirely your choice. I think its hypocritical for me to eat meat and to get mad about hunting, or whatever. We all draw our own lines in the sand, but to make it out like there is no possible way to see the hypocrisy is just putting on blinders. Here is an article about Bear baying, which is legal in South Carolina. Because its legal that means its okay, even though its like dog fighting. So yeah hunting bears is a good thing, but dog fighting is bad. Come on.{edit} You dont know what Mark does or didnt do. What we do know is that black bear hunting is usually pretty cruel and Mark has taken part in it. He brags about killing animals. Yet these are all okay, but dog fighting is not. Its the basic definition of hypocrisy. How does killing an animal relate to killing an animal? They are both dead, its not about how they got there, its about the end result. The animals Mark happens to kill just arent cute and cuddly and put on a pedestal by humans. Actually yes it is different. Because torturing and killing animals the way Vick did is sick and twisted. You are trying to support your point but being as broad as possible but there is a line there. If we adhered to your ruling on this matter we would all be hypocrites because you too have killed an animal for fun in your lifetime. Fishing, driving even walking kills living things everyday. Luckily the normal people on here aren't f***ing sick enough to breed an animal in a 2x2 crate for the sole purpose of torture and death for laughs. We don't dismember said animals and hang them because it's fun, because that's sick as f***. You can go ahead and lump everyone on this board and in the world in with Vick since we are all animal murders, but i prefer to take the rational path and separate myself for someone who would put forth so much effort such as securing a property, facilities, breeding animals, and a crowd for the sole purpose of torturing and murdering dogs. But maybe I'm wrong, and next time I'm out on lake Michigan trolling for steelhead, ill remember that there is no difference between me and Michael Vick.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Feb 10, 2011 -> 05:38 PM) What does jail have to do with anything? I can be a notorious murderer and not be convicted and be hypocritical when I speak about another convicted murderer. You are really reaching there. Vick bred dogs in captivity for the purpose of killing them still in captivity and at times torturing them for laughs and money. This included dismemberment and electrocution as well as hanging. Tell me how anything the Buehrles have done equates to those actions. If they committed similar atrocities, then yes they could be called hypocritical.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Feb 10, 2011 -> 05:30 PM) This whole thread has gone pretty far from my original idea which was, Mark should have stayed out of it because his views could be seen as hypocritical. Regardless of whether you are an avid hunter or a vegan, I think its clear that there is at least an argument to be made for his stance being hypocritical. Some will believe that it is absolute hypocrisy, others may try and find a way to frame it so that its not. But to me, its hypocritical to kill Black Bears for fun on one hand and wish harm on some one else for torturing dogs. I cant get any information about Mark's Black Bear hunt, but most Bear hunting is pretty brutal. Trapping involves a Bear being caught in a trap that basically breaks its leg until the hunter comes and kills it, using dogs involves dogs chasing the bear until it climbs a tree where it can be killed, etc. The argument for deer population control, its understandable. Which is why I make an exception for hunting for ecological preservation, but this is once again limited to professionals, and not to people who are doing it for fun. Hunting to eat, I can live with that, it is natural. But Im just not sure how hunting for sport and having dogs fight for sport, are so extremely different. I certainly dont support either. How is attaching a car battery to a dog with jumper cables to torture it and watch it die part of a sport? You seem to gloss over the torture for laughs every time you try and compare hunting to what he did. I would suggest reading the book about these dogs and what he put them through before you assume that it's even remotely close to hunting like Mark does. Nothing that they said was hypocritical whatsoever.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Feb 10, 2011 -> 03:09 PM) Yeah Jaime you and your husband are genuine hypocrites. Vick SHOULD HAVE walked away after being ambushed by that "reporter" with the pics. What is he supposed to do, stand there and argue with him? Okay I understand that he and his wife has a problem with what Vick did. But to wish that Vick gets hurt on the field? Buehrle and his wife should know better. They are very fortunate that Mark has never suffered a severe injury. Damn I really hate that this came out. I like Mark Buehrle a LOT less after today. I'm almost at the point where I wish he would f*** off and take the next thing smoking to St. Louis and the Cardinals. Hopefully this will die down, but as of right now - f*** Mark Buehrle. I think you need to look up the definition of hypocritical. If mark was sent to jail for torturing and killing animals for fun, then maybe you could use that word.

He not only fought dogs, he tortured them for fun. He hooked up dogs to car batteries just to watch them squirm. Thats f***ing sick, and its alot more sick than Mark Buehrle taking out his bow and killing a boar regardless of where you stand on killing animals. They captured dogs, tortured the s*** out of them, and sometimes even made them kill each other for a crowd. How many hunters do anything like that at all.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Feb 10, 2011 -> 01:04 PM) You seem to be implying that he may even continue to do these things but be more careful about it so that he's not caught again. Maybe not because he was caught and his money was taken away, but I think most of his remorse is from committing an act that sent him to jail, not the act itself. And people who torture animals in that fashion are not right IMO, and alot of serial killers start out by choosing that very activity. Im not saying Vick is going to be a serial killer, but something is seriously wrong with people who can do that.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Feb 10, 2011 -> 12:39 PM) Yep. Funny tidbit. I have a friend that has four tickets in the 27 game plan and collects bobbleheads and never gets these in that plan. I have no interest in Bobbleheads so they sit in a box in a closet. I have the 27 game plan and get the bobbleheads, he can have my Pierre. Right now its in the box holding up a cabinet door I am repairing.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Feb 10, 2011 -> 12:59 PM) You and I will likely never know the answer to that question. All we do know is that he has been rehabilitated after serving his sentence. Rehabilitated to never be caught doing a crime again that takes away his paper. Anyone that can torture dogs like that has something inside of them that will never be fixed no matter how much time he spends in jail. I am very confident that the guy really doesnt feel bad for the dogs, but feels really bad that he committed a crime and was caught.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Feb 10, 2011 -> 12:53 PM) He's no longer fighting dogs. And isn't he doing a lot of animal related charity work now? When can he be forgiven? Is he being forced to do that charity work or is he doing it out of remorse? And he wasnt just fighting dogs, he was torturing them to the point of hooking dogs up to car batteries to watch them die.

It actually looks like alot of the comments on ESPN are in support of Buehrle. And Jamie's comments are pretty spot on for their POV. Mark is by all account an ideal role model as an athlete.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Feb 9, 2011 -> 04:19 PM) Yes they do...they are gentle giants... You're going to have to keep me posted on your Jeep, because I just left the sports car market and am headed into the SUV market come summer time... My jeep is sick. Talk about great timing buying it a few weeks before the storm hit. It guzzles gas quite a bit, but overall its been a great vehicle. REALLY quiet and put together well. I will say I really wanted to be tooling around in a Range Rover if only for the prestige of that car, but the Jeep offers alot more value. I miss the speed from my G sometimes, but the cruising aspect and storage space makes up for it.

Anyone get their Juan Pierre Bobblehead in the mail? Thanks for backing up my AJP and Jake Peavy one with the likeness of probably my least favorite player.

I'd like to hunt a human.