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QUOTE (Texsox @ May 29, 2009 -> 12:32 PM) This is their English grade, but it really reflects their basketball ability? Hell, I received a 4.0 in English classes, just give me an A in Kinesiology because it doesn't matter. I'm not really sure what you are trying to say there. You want an A in a class because you got an A in another class? I dont see how thats the same at all. These guys got grades or help to get grades to keep them on the floor to continue to bring revenue and attention to their school. I dont see how you would do that for a school at all. And to be clear, the schools should all be sanctioned to at least keep them from doing this in the immediate future, but this is not isolated, for every recruit that doesnt go to memphis, they will go to the next school that puts dollars in their pockets and keeps them eligible to play and develop their game for their career.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 29, 2009 -> 12:17 PM) No wonder we have developed generations of people as a country now who feel they are entitled to do whatever they want to do, rules and laws be damned. Forget work, you owe to it me! If you won't give it to me, I will just take it from someone else. yes, laziness and crime are obviously new phenomenons that have just developed. And to be clear, you are blaming this on college athletes who have cheated?

QUOTE (Texsox @ May 29, 2009 -> 12:16 PM) Why even give these guys grades then? You arent really, you are giving their tutor grades basically. If there was a way to just have them at the school without taking classes, Im sure they would be all for it. They arent there for the education like the rest of us.

QUOTE (Texsox @ May 29, 2009 -> 12:14 PM) There seems to be a bell curve. Some of the very smallest programs are rarely caught, and seem clean. The very top programs, can also be fairly clean. For example, does Coach K really have to cheat at this point? It's the programs and coaches in the middle. The pressure to get to "the next level" is immense. Bulls***, you have named ONE program that you think is clean. The top 10 football programs in the country are ALL dirty, not to mention the next 50 or so and there on down. Just because you dont think its true, doesnt mean its the case. How do you feel about a coach's wife "teaching" every class to an entire football team? Because that happens at numerous top tier academic schools with terrible football teams. Basketball is no different. 50 dollars here, 100 bucks there, given to players by people not connected in any way with a program and voila, you have your team that appears clean to everyone. I guarantee you could dive deeper into every player in the top 50 teams and most if not all have cheated in some way, and thats including Duke.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 29, 2009 -> 12:11 PM) D, it is the only milk that actually tastes like milk. The rest tastes like various stages of water mixed with milk. Blech. You are drinking what tastes to me like melted butter.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ May 29, 2009 -> 12:04 PM) How so? We don't have any other options down at AAA. And please don't say Kroeger. We have ALOT of lefty bats on this team right now.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 29, 2009 -> 11:40 AM) Calipari hasn't been coaching amateurs since he left UMass. Quality.

QUOTE (Texsox @ May 29, 2009 -> 11:55 AM) So true. As a society, and especially sports fans, now accept cheating as ok, or even necessary. Sad. Actually earning what you get is no longer necessary. Other kids in that class actually worked for their grades, but that is only necessary of you are not athletically gifted. f*** the regular students. Sorry, but when cheating is condoned, we all lose. It erodes at the foundation of our education system and our society. The people who worked for their grades got an education because they needed it for their career. Classes to these guys is literally like taking a gym class for the rest of us. Do you really think the fake grades these guys got are going to prepare them for a career outside of basketball? These are also the same kids that are bringing in millions of dollars to your school so that you CAN get that great education. They are hired guns, nothing more. If anyone on here went to a school with a good sports team, this is happening there right now.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ May 29, 2009 -> 10:53 AM) I agree and said that all day yesterday. Supposedly though, Cal is a slimeball and Derrick can do no wrong and if he does, it's justified because he's just a kid. I personally think that's BS. There are a ton of other student athletes who are just kids. This is way worse than OJ Mayo, way worse than a Maurice Clarrett. So take away both of their abilities to compete in amateur sports. Done. Cal cant coach in college anymore, Derrick cant play in college anymore.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 29, 2009 -> 10:55 AM) Because Paulie might be the DH. Good point. How do we see this going in the next 2 seasons or such? 1. Danks CF 2. Beckham 3b 3. Q LF 4. Tank RF 5. Konerko DH 6. Allen 1B 7. Flowers C 8. Alexei SS 9. Getz 2B ?

I'd like a pass at Chris Young the pitcher as well although his control has gotten away from him a bit.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ May 29, 2009 -> 10:42 AM) I am in no way defending what happened, but I would bet this happens FAR more then we will ever realize. Every single high school and college with a star player who is in academic trouble. Not to mention the other concessions the schools make for their top athletes as a whole.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ May 29, 2009 -> 10:22 AM) You've had a grade illegally changed on a transcript and cheated on your ACT or SAT? Because it's clearly not the same cheating than just taking an answer from a classmate during a test. Yeah, we've most all glanced at a kid next to us for an exam answer, but I doubt anyone here did what Rose did. Most of us also NEEDED our education to get into a school where we could further our education to go into a career. The kids career is basketball, I akin this to someone who cheated in gym class who is now an accountant. I bet plenty of nerds thought think that wouldnt be that big of a deal since "what does gym have to do with my career." Its the same with DROSE, he just needed to get to the next level that is required of him to further his career is bball. They should strip him off all credits in both HS and college, and the dude still rules on the hardcourt.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ May 29, 2009 -> 10:10 AM) Ya i saw a couple days ago and shook my head. That deal straight up is not better for the Padres at all. And I know i've said it before, but people will be disappointed in Fernando Martinez. Dayn Perry is a glorified blogger, he really doesnt know much about the sport.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 29, 2009 -> 09:54 AM) The fact he is willing to lie, cheat, and steal any any level pretty much means he wouldn't be above cheating in the sport to. Besides it is silly distinction. The guy is as much of a cheater as anyone else that has been fried in pro sports. Its pathetic that people are kissing his ass because he plays in Chicago. He's one of the best at his profession and is great for the city, a grade change in HS isnt going to change that fact, especially considering where the kid went to school.

QUOTE (Disco72 @ May 29, 2009 -> 09:40 AM) Ok, so the comparison sucks. That doesn't change the fact that this kid cheated - do you really believe he had no idea what was going on? I believe he knew, and I like him less as a result of it. I'll still cheer for him and the Bulls, but I don't have to like him. Dont worry, one game winning drive and you'll forget about it.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 29, 2009 -> 09:38 AM) It sure is. Premeditated cheating to me is WAY worse than someone who loses their temper in the heat of the moment. Lets be clear here, the guy never cheated in sports, it wasnt steroids, it wasnt a game day thing, he cheated so that he could get to the next level in an organization that he had no future in anyway. Its really not that big of a deal to me now to be honest. DROSE is too good of a bball player for this to do ANYTHING to his image. I'm pretty sure everyone or at least 99.9 percent of folks on this site knew he had cheated at some point in the process.

QUOTE (Disco72 @ May 29, 2009 -> 09:35 AM) Having this affect his career and liking the player are different things. What he did has no impact on his career, so sure, so what? I don't see anybody saying he should be suspended from the NBA or anything. However, as fans of the player, we know that he clearly cheated and broke the rules, which makes him much less likeable as a player. Zambrano is a jerk because of his antics, but this is no big deal because Rose, other than this systematic cheating, seems like a nice guy? Quite a stretch trying to compare on field antics of an asshole vs some folks who cheated for a kid behind the scenes.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 28, 2009 -> 07:40 PM) Wow, Derrick Rose really is an idiot. He couldn't get into Memphis without getting his grades fixed AND having someone take his SATs? That is PATHETIC. He is lucky the Zambrano stuff is all over the Chicago news, or he would be getting crucified. I disagree, who cares? He is the prodigal son of Bulls basketball, there is nothing that can be done to him now that he is a pro.

QUOTE (santo=dorf @ May 29, 2009 -> 05:25 AM) It looks like the ump intiated contact, and the last time I recall a pitcher chucking something (his glove) into the crowd was Cliff Lee in Toronto. I can't recall if he was suspended. Zambrano pushed the ump off of him then tossed the ump out.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 28, 2009 -> 05:55 PM) Nobody has mentioned Don Cooper calling Zambrano an asshole and saying that his antics wouldn't be tolerated on the Sox? He is an asshole. He acted like a huge baby in front of a million people. The Cubs should suspend him additional time for making them look like assholes as well. I'll lump Ted Lilly in there as well for leaving the dugout to tell an ump that he hasnt been concentrating when he isnt even pitching that day.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ May 28, 2009 -> 04:27 PM) lol, exactly. This is seriously one of the most underreported stories in sports right now. The ramifications this could have on the team going into the future is pretty significant. Right now their payroll is completely frozen and a sale to Ricketts might not magically remedy that and the Cubs are stuck in some bad contracts. However, the media just continues to turn a blind eye on this The media in Chicago wont report on it, therefor nobody cares. Its ridiculous that they are soliciting 25 million dollars from random celebrities so they can buy the team.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ May 28, 2009 -> 03:37 PM) I still would not be surprised to see him end up at 2B with the Tank at third.... I think the Tank is our future DH.

QUOTE (The Critic @ May 28, 2009 -> 03:08 PM) Yep. #1 and 2 favorite NHL teams. Became a fan of both teams at a very young age. I don't believe in rivalries, I just like watching sports. I like em both too actually, mostly because I really liked Stevie Y as a player and of course, Chelios.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 28, 2009 -> 03:04 PM) Lebron will stay in Cleveland. People can blab about large market all you want, but Lebron is the face of the NBA already and moving to a large market won't really have that huge of an impact, imo. At least not for Lebron, for the NBA sure. Plus, Cleveland is going to get a Chinese minority owner and they will market him a s***load over in China which WILL be a big boom for Lebron. He is also living near his home, he already has his compound nearby and he's going to be the best player to ever wear that uni.