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QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 04:58 PM) The airing of greviences just got better. I got a lot of problems with you people! And now you're gonna hear about it! Kruger my son tells me your company stinks! you couldnt smooth a silk sheet if you had a hot date with a babe.... QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 05:15 PM) So let me get this straight, we have people talking about how Bmac isnt proven, or isnt Cy Young. Yet we are so f***ing sure that the return is going to be, come on now. I just threw up in my mouth when I heard this. We keep getting rid of players, yet Ozzie stays. Holy f***ing s***. Pods in left, sure that makes sense. Having our startering 9 play about 30% of the time, sure. Now we are trading people just because the Ozziero has conflict. i havent really been reading this thing, but is it a fact that brandon got traded because ozzie doesnt like him? i dont even know that ozzie doesnt like mccarthy....can someone point me where that was said?

QUOTE(3E8 @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 02:26 PM) All signs point to yes. i dont think so, he'll compete, but we will see...... KW has acquired some big time young arms though....floyd gio danks aardsma and even thornton were all 1st round arms, and sisco was a second. lets hope they can straighten them out and reach that potential

i really dont get it since mccarthy is cheap and young, but danks is a better prospect than mccarthy was, is younger and is lefthanded, so i understand his addition....i just thought we coulda landed baldelli or someone fo that ilk that can help us now for bmac on another note...the sox sure do love the danks boys, they tried to get the younger brother even though he had a strong commitment to texas when the sox grabbed him in the 18th round or so last year

per baseball america

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Dec 20, 2006 -> 12:12 PM) Cleveland is the team I worry about the most. They actually scored more runs and gave up less than the White Sox in 2006. I think they are ready to be very good again. i agree....minnesota is going to have a tough time finding quality innings with no more radke and no liriano...i have to think guys like garza baker and bonser need another year to be horses to led minny to the playoffs behind johan...detroit i think will regress with guys like rogers and robertson and the entire bullpen having the "come back to this world" effect that the 06 white sox saw....if clevelands pen holds up i think they will be our biggest competition.

another implication of this trade is whether we are gonna carry 12 pitchers this year, and if not who replaces gload on the bench? my guess is with macks and ozunas versatility and the fact that cintron can play anywhere in the IF that we will carry 12 pitchers (especially with inexperience in the pen) but that said, since ozzie said mack wont play center, even if anderson is in center we have no backup, so maybe sweeney stays on ?

with mack on the bench i got no problems with this...i hope ross does well, im not sure where he fits in KC, with shealy at 1st and sweeney, maybe OF maybe just becnh guy....but sisco is still really young, and hes the typical dare i say cooper project...if he can reduce those walks

if we use last years stats as a predictor for next years, and all the money being equal.....im fairly confident stat heads would take vazquez if they could have any pitcher of ours for next year and i think scouts would prolly either take contreras of vazquez.......so alot of you can hate on vazquez and call him a "head case" but the fact of the matter is that vazquez had the highest K rate on the staff, a very good BB rate, the 2nd lowest HR rate (only a slightly higher H than contreras) of any of our starters and was healthier than jose....all of those facts would suggest that vazquez's ERA was fairly inflated last year and that he was honestly rather unlucky, and would seem to indicate that hes our best bet for a solid season next year....i know that sabermetric stuff doesnt really fly around here and people will insist that the 7 wins and .33 diff. between his ERA and garlands is because hes mentally weak, but that is your opinion...ill stick with the numbers which tell me that if vazquez keeps his HR rate down like he did last year as opposed to 05, that hell be a pretty damn good pitcher next year edit: after thinkin about my post i decided to check out vazquez's DIPS #s...which puts him at as the #10 in the AL for DIPS adjusted ERA.....and thats not counting park factor which heavily works against him http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/pitchi...d=a&pos=all for those of you who dont know what DIPS is and didnt read money ball....

im glad to see that williams asked for sanchez and hughes from the yankees....because well that is shooting for the moon...hughes is a top 3 pitching prospect in the game, maybe the top right now, and sanchez is prolly top 15

QUOTE(RudyLawRules @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 11:35 PM) Some interesting, older Floyd articles. This guy was annointed a savior when he was dafted. http://phillies.scout.com/2/535765.html http://phillies.scout.com/2/315671.html http://phillies.scout.com/2/236586.html http://phillies.scout.com/2/342166.ht One interesting quote: thanks for posting that...interesting stuff....anyone who says floyd is not worth anything is mistaken....this guy was an absolute stud prospect not that long ago, and hes had a down year or two, but hasnt exactly been handled ideally by the phillies

i dont understand why people arent mentioning tejada, since its been documented in a few papers that the sox and O's have talked about it, and have maybe tossed around garlands name

QUOTE(RME JICO @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 02:37 PM) Here is an interesting tidbit about Floyd from CNNSI: The Sox hire a former Phillies exec then execute a trade with the same team. Just speculation, but maybe Amaro gave KW some valuable information about Floyd that would make him believe he had more value than others were stating. i'll take you one farther.....buchholz used to be in teh phillies organization as well....and was their top prospect about 3 or 4 years ago

QUOTE(VAfan @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 01:12 PM) I've been a Sox fan since 1970. But if the White Sox sign Barry Bonds, I will completely disown the club during the entirety of his time on the team. And it may be very difficult to revive my loyalty even after he is gone. As bad as the Garcia trade was, this rumor flat out sucks. We ride Frank Thomas out of town -- just about the only steroid-era slugger who never juiced -- and two seasons later bring in the #1 juicer, and liar, of them all??? To hell with baseball. I've been able to avoid BB b/c I could care less about the NL. If he ever puts on a Sox uni ... well may the curse of the black Sox be revived. I hope this rumor never comes to pass. its amazing to me that some peoples hatred for bonds is stronger than their "love" for the white sox. i hate bonds, but to suggests that I woudl EVER stop rooting for the white sox is nuts. i certainly dont hate bonds enough to ever do that. maybe others are different, but i would expect people who have been fans since 1970 would never stray in their loyalty to the team.....even if they did sign someone like bonds QUOTE(redandwhite @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 01:24 PM) Why would you mind? You'd win more games and have a better chance to win a World Series with Bonds than without him. well stated

this is from SABR guy Gary Gillette...

stat guys love to look at three year trends....lookin at em for garcia.... ..........04........05........06 ERA....3.81.....3.87.....4.54 K/9....7.89.....5.76.....5.61 H/9....8.23.....8.88.....9.49 i guess this is nothing we didnt know....and it doesnt justify teh poor return we got in the trade, but all of those numbers are pretty alarming and at least validate the fact that brandon at this point is probably a better option for the next 2-3 years than garcia

QUOTE(SoxHawk1980 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 12:38 PM) Ok. The ones who have posted on this board and the ones I've talked to are overjoyed. I would be too. read some interesting things.....most think floyd is garbage....which is dumb, but i cant blame em for the way he pitched in the bigs....but alot of em are weary of the fact that htey only have garcia under contract for a year, and some feel gio is a slightly lesser version of hammels, and feel thats alot to give up for 1 rental year of freddy...we'll see though...most of em liked it, but i think alot of them are expecting the garcia of 05, and not 06.

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 11:37 AM) What about the 92 mph fastball he featured in September when he appeared to get stronger? This is a terrible trade. We could've gotten Figgins for Freddy straight up and even that would've been bad but not nearly as bad as this. thats crazy......floyd and gio > figgins....imo

hes using the braves as a model.....hes been sayin it for years

i know a lot of people here dont like keith law...me being one of them....but he actually kinda said this trade was good for both sides...tho he really liked it for philly

QUOTE(greg775 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 12:07 AM) If the Sox sign Bonds I may take a pass on them until he retires. Bonds is everything wrong with sports ... everything! How can anybody deny that? The guy is a complete and utter ass and Mr. Steroids. 1.) there are plenty of mr. steroids in baseball....even players you have rooted for on teh sox in the past and im sure still now.... 2.) he is an utter ass.....i cant deny taht........but that .454 obp and 26 homers in pac bell translates pretty damn well in our ballpark....add in teh fact that pitcher will pitch to him alot more often with konerko thome dye in teh lineup behind him, and yeah id take it for a year or two

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 12:00 AM) Oh my god...I'm giddy...Bonds...YESSS, DO IT DO IT DO IT. Like I said, if we want to go with the theory of developing some young pitching, give ourselves a nasty offense and no better upgrade than adding Bonds to a potent lineup and at 10 mill for 1 year its a bargain, imo (even though some people would say this is negative PR wise in the case of Bonds I stick to the old adage of any type of PR is good PR). i hate bonds more than any other player in baseball...but i must admit....id be happy if we signed him too

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 11:51 PM) Phil Rogers is the Sam Smith of baseball. I'm stunned he didn't have a full list of proposed trades for the Sox now. Also, as the article shows, the "open for business" comment was in regards to making more trades to add to the team, but rather it's in regards to trading more starting pitchers. rogers classified this as his "worst rumor".......not sure in waht capacity he means worst.....

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 11:50 PM) It's not a "long ways away" a decision on Buehrle's future would have to be made this offseason and Garland, next offseason. also from rogers..... this was classified under his "worst rumor" The White Sox are the "mystery team" in the Barry Bonds sweepstakes. Some reporters spent part of Wednesday working to identify the Sox as the team that seemingly spent the day meeting with Bonds and his agent, Jeff Borris.

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 11:43 PM) KW better start drafting better and developing his players better. However, we shouldn't aspire to act like a small market team like the A's. certainly not....but KW may just have 100 mil to operate with as opposed to beanes 50....as far as player development, people really sell teh sox organization short as far as that goes....at least in my opinion