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QUOTE(Iguana @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 12:18 PM) Brutal? how so? for the Sox? brutal in that it had been posted and talked about numerous occasions, and we had the same scenario last night, someone came on and said the burnett deal was imminent and showed us that article. needless to say, it was nothing we didnt know 2 days prior. then i see it posted again today. thats why its brutal

QUOTE(Tadahito15 @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 10:50 AM) Time has become a serious factor more than anything right now. With roughly 3 days left, KW really needs to focus on a select 1 or 2 players adn work extremely hard to aquire them. Splitting up his attention, IMO, would not be the right thing to do unless of course you make the select few teams more anxious/nervous to deal before time escapes them. yeah but you dont know how much attention he has paid to each deal already. both deals might nearly be done right now adn you wouldnt know. its not like KW is starting fresh on a deal beginning today

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 10:38 AM) Honestly, I don't see anything happen between now and the deadline. I wish Oakland was out of it so we could inquire about Zito, but that ain't happening. If there is a deal made, here are my most likely to happen to lease likely: Huff & Baez Burnett & Lowell Overbay Schmidt Schmidt & Vizquel(I just don't get where people get the idea that SF is going to want to downgrade at SP and SS, especially when they have publicly said they are going to want to contend next year when Barry is back) burnett and lowell burnett huff huff and Baez schmidt schmidt and vizquel overbay

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 10:12 AM) If you say so, chief. can we maybe move this one to the "who should win NL Manager of year thread".....yeah

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 10:06 AM) I think they won't get Burnett, but they will get Jason Schmidt and Omar Vizquel. I also think they will get Aubrey Huff. i would wet myself...multiple times...schmidt as #4 omar in there instead of uribe = no willie, huff as a big lefthanded bat to DH/fill in...oh that would be nice....

QUOTE(FGarcia34 @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 10:04 AM) From USA TODAY - The White Sox agreed to trade top pitching prospect Brandon McCarthy and left-handed reliever Damaso Marte to the Marlins for starter A.J. Burnett and third baseman Mike Lowell, if the Marlins agreed to pay half of Lowell's remaining $18 million through 2007. The Marlins had not as of late Monday. The White Sox wanted a 72-hour window to sign Burnett, who is seeking at least $40 million over four years. If they acquire Burnett, the White Sox are expected to offer him $27 million over three years brutal

QUOTE(forrestg @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 09:39 AM) here's one the yankees want ElDuque and the yankees have 2 first basemen Martinez and Giambi both playing well. martinez = old giambi = WAYYYYYYYyy overpriced. worse than konerko with twice the contract for way longer :puke your idea

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 08:40 AM) When I think trade-dealine moves, I think proven veterans or someone with can't-miss success written all over him. See, my ideal deadline move is very similar to what the Cardinals did last season to acquire Larry Walker. Walker was a proven veteran with a big stick and the burning desire to get a WS ring. Overbay-though talented, would likely platoon and may or may not a significant amount of offensive fire-power Huff-although more proven, isn't the type of guy that strikes fear in the hearts of his opponents; plus, neither one of these guys would provide a veteran spark. i think good players when i think improving teh team at the deadline. huff is a good player

QUOTE(Ozzie Montana @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 08:06 AM) I dont want to give the Yanks anything. This is good that they have to rely on Leiter and they are thinking about getting Shawn Chacon. f*** that, everyone is gonna laugh at me but i dont care, i think shawn chacon is a good pitcher. i mean he aint the unit, but hes better than al leiter

QUOTE(whitesoxfan13 @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 07:42 AM) I agree, if we want to make and win in the playoffs, you need at least four solid, dependable pitchers, not three and a couple of maybes. yep. you need 4. no way around it. yankees had to start kevin brown in game 7 and paid for it. the marlins in 03 got excellent contributation from pavano that allowed them to be flexible with their use of beckett

QUOTE(3E8 @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 07:15 AM) That depends a lot on if we are only starting our top 3 pitchers. If we are going 4, I don't want Contreras starting in Fenway and we can't guarantee El Duque will be available. the thing is, a #4 starter is very valuable. maybe not in the first 5 game series. but usually he does start in the LDS in game 4. Not to mention, if you are planning to make it to the next round, they dont give you time to reset teh rotation. its very possible the in teh LCS or WS that the #4 starter has to start game #1 or 2. besides having a 4th starter you can count on, allows you to use a #1 or a #2 or a #3 or even the #4 himself out of the bullpen in a potential game 6 or 7. if you give up 2 runs over 5 innings in the playoffs, generally someone is waiting to come in to take your spot, because your leash is much shorter in the playoffs (rightly so). but the arguement that only 3 starters are needed in the playoffs really is not a good one. IMO if you want the best chance to win, you need 4 that you can absolutely count on. the old saying is true, you can never have too much pitching

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 07:00 AM) It goes both ways. With a limited number of teams willing to deal away players, contenders might panic trying to get a leg up on their competition and overpay to do it, knowing that there are only a few days left and other people want the same players. i agree. i just dont think that there are too many teams out there feel like they HAVE to buy. really this is the most odd year i can remember in terms of the midseason market. who are the sellers? obviously very few. who is trying to buy though? the sox are one. but look in the NL. StL? nope. SD? they were trying to exchange bad salaries, not exactly buy to make the team better. AtL? maybe, but no serious rumors. Wash? ok they are one. mets i suppose. but even still the mets and washington are more lukewarm buyers, the mets still dont know that they can win, and besides they are always buyers, even ifthey stink (see victor zambrano). but in the AL you havent heard much of anything out of anaheim, oakland hasnt seemed interested. out east the O's are, as are the bosox, but what about teh yankees? the players they have targetted/are targetting are randy winn and el duque. the interest just doesnt seem to be there like it has in teh past, and maybe thats because there are only a handful of worthwhile players available, but it just seems so odd to me that teh white sox are really teh only team out there who have been mentioned in numerous trades, and in teh biggest of trades at that.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 06:48 AM) Have you seen what teams are asking for their players? We aren't JUST talking about minor leaguers like in years past, we are talking about 2-3 players off of our 25 man roster. We would actually be openning more holes than we were filling in these deals. How can anyone justify adding holes to the roster of the best team in baseball? That is what I don't understand. teams were asking for that early thinkin they had the leverage, but really the fact that no significant deals have happened yet, really favors the buyers, because the sellers will now feel if they really wanna get something in return for a guy like burnett, then they will have to take what is offered. a team like tampa however, CAN keep their stakes up high for huff, because they can trade huff in the offseason instead of now. but i think the teams that really wanna deal, like florida will end up having to "settle" for top prospects as opposed to major league players

QUOTE(Al Lopez's Ghost @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 06:31 AM) I'm just afraid this is the calm before the calm. it may not be a storm, but i can guarantee it will rain some. KW will make a move. its almost a certainty in my mind, whether its big or small

http://www.nj.com/mets/ledger/index.ssf?/b...7070.xml&coll=1

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 03:45 AM) Assuming he's standing pat for that reason doesn't make sense, as we know he has been attempting to make trades. It's well documented they've been in discussions with the Marlins. It's also been reported conversations have taken place with the DRays, Yankees, Giants and Dodgers. That doesn't sound like a GM that WANTS to stand pat. Edited to add: To further me point, he's still trying to 'not stand pat'. http://www.nj.com/mets/ledger/index.ssf?/b...7070.xml&coll=1

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 01:56 PM) Hope ou have a strong stomach for this one... :puke ill tell you what, i just got over probably the nastiest case of poison ivy i have ever seen, and i had to wear sleeves for 3 weeks in teh heart of summer. what i had sounds very similar to JD, with the blisters and infections on them (since both spider bite and poison ivy are both allergic reactions). it wasnt fun, and it caused my entire knee to swell up quite a bit. there would be no way i woulda been able to slide on it. altho....if you paid me 4 mil a year like they do dye, i woulda slid on it

QUOTE(whitesox89 @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 09:02 PM) anything on the updates on ESPN 1000 or the Score nah, nothing....this was a false alarm. they were talking about that nightengale article posted earlier in the thread on am1000, but its nothing new, old news, stuff we knew on monday

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 08:40 PM) Because Chuck LaMar is the D-Rays GM, this prob ain't gonna happen. And Lou Piniella would go crazy too. lou has to know already, besides i dont think if they care if he goes crazy. its inevitable anyways. stark said in his article that everyone is saying that "huff WILL BE traded" ditto baez. we'll see to whom........on a side note, is huff the best bat available on teh market? maybe soriano, but thats arguable, and im not sure if he is on the market. but if we nab him and burnett, like stark suggests, we would get the best hitter and best pitcher. if that aint goin for it i dont know what is

QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 08:35 PM) I agree...it's just fun. I'm as guilty as anyone! omg a light bulb just went off in my head........not that this might be realistic, but if we were trying to get huff/baez and we would send baez to florida as the reliever they wanted? maybe they are trying to kepe the pen intact by getting baez to move him. i cant think of any other real reason they would want to pay so much for a guy who would be our 6th pitcher outa the pen

QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 08:32 PM) I love this forum!! Any new post gets hundreds of hits and posts, no matter what. It's like throwing a raw steak in a pit of lions! its justified tho...when someone posts something that says nightengale is saying on the radio that the deal is done, i think alot of ppl would posting. unfortunately for the 1000000th time this appears to be a false alarm

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 08:30 PM) Me too. WIth that said. I'm pretty sure it isn't going down. yeah i believe this is the same info levine was givin earlier, that the sox were very close to a 72 hour window, and that the money with lowell was what was holding it up. btw if there is a 72 hour window this time, the deal has to be agreed by tomorrow

QUOTE(Tadahito15 @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 08:26 PM) IF we do get Burnett though and go with a 4 man rotation come play off time, El Duque really isnt needed besides as a BP guy... im so glad we get to hear jets/bills talk on am1000 instead of the AJ burnett rumor

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 08:14 PM) I disagree. If they do acquire Huff he will be the primary DH because this offense desperately needs a lefthanded power bat and that is why they would be acquiring Huff. Huff would be the DH who could also give Konerko/Crede/Pods a day of rest. This move would also most likely designate Gload for assignment. yeah youre right, thats more likely

QUOTE(ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 08:21 PM) not really. His BA is up a little but he isnt driving the ball at all and appears to be "feeling" for the ball at the plate and has way too many timid/protection swings in hitters counts. His run production is way down and at this point it has to be mental b/c I believe he can be just as good as he has been the past 3-4 years ok my pulse has fallen back to normal, this is the same crap we knew about 2 days ago.....damnit