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QUOTE(Ishmookie @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 08:18 PM) is the article old or is it new from tonight? This may be one gigantic misinterrepretation of that article. it says that the sox said that they would do that deal on monday (which we alreayd knew, if the marlins would pay enough of lowell). what exactly did they say on am1000? was it talking about the article or was it saying it was donE???/

palesox38 just so you know your soxtalk reputation rests upon this being true.

QUOTE(palesox38 @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 08:13 PM) Sorry, no link. It was reported on ESPN 1000. But according to them, Nightengale is very accurate. probably the most respected sports writer in teh nation

QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 08:13 PM) Can someone explain to me what exactly we'd do with Mike Lowell... It's not like he deserves to take playing time from Crede this year... His offense sucks this year.. his defense not that great... Why not get someone who can play SS? pay half of his contract. which would be 3.75 a year, and then tell another team that we will pay 1/2 of that, roughly 1.37 mil, and trade him for say....i dunno someone

QUOTE(ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 08:11 PM) with who? Us? Sorry if its an obvious answer i wasnt here at all the past couple days wow, word was about a few hours ago that marlins would meet and decide early tonight on which course of action they woudl pursue. bob nightengale is usually legit, tho he did say we were gettin unit this offseason. at any rate, im excited

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 08:06 PM) I really have no interest in Cantu. Huff however I do like as a DH/1B/LF not to be an everday thirdbaseman. How's that? i dont think huff would be a 3b. i think everett would be pretty much the fulltime DH. then i think huff slides into everetts old role in which huff would spell pods, rowand (with pods in center) dye, konerko and maybe crede one day a week. maybe thats too much jockeying around with one player

QUOTE(3E8 @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 08:01 PM) Huff seems far more likely than Overbay to me. obviously, huff is certainly on teh block, overbay is almost certainly not

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 07:56 PM) My opinion (as if anyone gives a damn) is that the only starting pitcher who I'd like to see prospects traded for is Schmidt. We definitely need hitting help though, and any addition would be a plus for me. DH is a HUGE hole for us right now. in all honesty thomas' injury is a blessing in disguise. i think KW now realizes the need for a big bat and huff could very well be brouhgt in. i love huff and if we got him, id be extremely happy. it would allow us to rest sooo many of our guys as well, and still remain competetive, huff can give just about everyone a day off except AJ juan and iguchi. i just think that there are only a handful of potential .300/30/100 hitting lefthanders out there, huff is one and is what, 28? it gives us such good flexibility with konerkos situation too. in my opinion huff is the best option out there, followed by schmid or burnett, whom i cant figure out who i would rather have. i keep goin back and forth

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 07:53 PM) I know I'll be pissed if KW doesn't make a move. It's pretty obvious one is needed. Does anyone think we could beat the Yanks, Red Sox or Cardinals with this lineup? I for one do not think so. its slow, but in my opinion KW will do something, and it will be something big. he has done big things in sellers markets before, like last year, and the sox werent even close to a sure thing for the playoffs. right now they look close to a sure thing for it. i wouldnt be surprised at all if burnett and huff both find their way into a sox uni. right now, it sounds like the sox are the only team in the running still for burnett, and ive heard that the marlins are telling people to say that they arent gonna trade burnett to drive up his value. ill bet they trade him, im just worried some mystery team like the angels, who certainly have the prospects will swoop in and get him. even still, if thats not the deal, ill bet schmidt happens. or huff. someone will be traded and something will happen.....i agree overbay wont happen....at least not now, i dont think

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 05:25 PM) Ever since the rumors started before the all-star break the bullpen seems to be falling apart. Is that coincidence or jitters? How many people would want to be traded off the team with the best record? I can't think of one person on this team who would want that right now. So I think it's more jitters than anything else & one the 31st passes the bullpen will become a strength again. I still like Hermanson, Marte, Politte, Cotts, Jenks. I'd rather swap Vizc with Villone. coincidence. dogdays dead arm whatever the reason/explanation/excuse, these guys are just goin thru a rough time right now. thats gonna happen. and it is right now. things will pick up though

QUOTE(AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 01:06 PM) I think we should close this thread, Overbay isn't getting trade, forget about it, lol. good point, there are a few otehrs that need to be closed also. can any mods help

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 01:01 PM) I'd take Pods over Carlos any day of the week right now. It's much, much harder to find a good leadoff hitter then a good middle of the order hitter. Carlos has hit more homers has all the obvious better power numbers but Scotty has a better ba, obp and more stolen bases. Great trade for both teams, I don't care what people thought at the time. i think what SB is trying to say is that we could have gotten pods for say....brian anderson as opposed to clee. and therefore we overpaid. i dont disagree with SB, i just think the money it saved us is what in my mind makes it equal. if we look at the trade only as pods + viz for lee i think we paid too much, not because pods isnt more valuable to the team than lee, but because his market value was so low, that we could gotten him for cheaper than lee. the money however is a different story and that allowed us to get AJ and tadahito which aj + pods + tad + viz is better than lee

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2005 @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 12:57 PM) He was ejected for arguing balls and strikes. phew thanks, im at work, i had no idea why timo was PHing

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 12:55 PM) You gotta be f***in kiddin me. DID CARL GET INJURED??? COULD WE HAVE JUST MADE A TRADE DEALING EVERETT???

seriously, that may be the most clever nickname ive ever heard

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 08:12 AM) Ok name em (and don't forget bang for your buck here). lol i was just gonna say the same thing. in the AL alone i can think of 1. teixeira. hafner and ortiz would count but tehy are DH. IMO overbay > PK and sexson

QUOTE(DABearSoX @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 08:06 AM) With every passing day it looks more and more like nothing is going to happen. This has been one of the most lackluster trade deadlines in recent history. Mostly being b/c there are many teams that won't submit because they are still within 5 games of the wildcard. Not saying we have to do anything, but if it does stay this way, I DO NOT want to see anyother of the playoff teams make any moves to bolster anything. We are pretty well matched up against most the teams right now, we have a chance in the post season. I am starting to get the feeling that Kenny is trying his hardest to bolster either the rotation or the bats, but nothing is going to happen. Kenny usually likes to get his moves done way before the deadline this is why i see nothing happening. 4 more days.....only time will tell my prediction is that once one big trade happens, the dominos will fall. if chisox get burnett, they move for relief help, the bosox swoop in on wagner. if bosox get burnett, chisox may nab schmidt, or huff. i think everyone is kinda waiting on florida. at least the big movers in this years market are. on a side note: anyone find it funny that teh yankees are really only talking about adding randy winn? i mean usually they are in the middle of the deadline market, but this year it seems to be dominated in all honesty by the chisox bosox and marlins. kinda cool to be the market movers for once

QUOTE(Wedge @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 07:56 AM) A better comparison for Gload to Overbay is Overbay in 2003 with Arizona: G AB HR RBI BB SO AVG OBP SLG OPS 86 254 4 28 35 67 .276 .365 .402 .767 Compare that to Gload's 2004: G AB HR RBI BB SO AVG OBP SLG OPS 110 234 28 44 20 37 .321 .375 .479 .854 In similar at-bats, Gload did put up better numbers. While the premise seems unlikely at first, what was Overbay before 2004? Basically Ross Gload. Now my concerns are Gload's health and ability to play a full season. Also, why did Gload not play in MLB in 2001 or 2003 (my guess is he was in the minors then)? no, gload has never been a prospect. overbay was always a touted hitter with a keen eye. 53 doubles people. when players get older and hit their prime (which is what overbay is doing now) doubles turn to home runs. brian roberts for example. im sorry, but gloads finaly month and a half of 2004 greatly inflated his BA. if gload = overbay, then package we could get in return for gload should = package brewcrew could get for overbay right? tell me how many GMs would offer a similar package for overbay as tehy woudl for gload. ill bet my life its zero.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 07:44 AM) Its funny how loud people scream for trades, until they realize that the other teams want decent players from us in exchange for their good players. That Willie Harris, Joe Borchard, Felix Diaz, Greg Norton package must not have been nearly as attractive in real life as it was on the PS2. Guys if we are going to do a deadline deal this year, it is going to cost us. 23 team are within 5 games of a playoff spot. There are so few teams who want to subtract players, that the prices are insane for good players. agreed. i find it humorous when people one day will be like, willie sucks he needs to go. then the next day have him as the centerpiece of a deal to get someone like arod. then they try to defend it like "willie could be the next luis castillo!" please, if i hear one more, lets trade willie + borchard + unnamed prospect im gonna......i dont know but im gonna do something....s*** i got nothin

QUOTE(VAfan @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 07:43 AM) If Ross Gload's 2004 numbers were projected over a season, he would be every bit as good as Lyle Overbay. Gload 2004: 2004 CWS 110 234 28 75 16 0 7 44 20 37 0 3 .321 -- .479 .854 Overbay 2004: 2004 Mil 159 579 83 174 53 1 16 87 81 128 2 1 .301 -- .478 .863 So all of you who want to surrender half our farm system for Mr. Overbay, please reconsider. Sure, Overbay has to be rated higher because he's played more, but the difference is not enough in my mind to want to give up anything right now for Overbay. im not even gonna read teh post, but just based on teh title i think you outa reconsider that statement

QUOTE(whitesoxfan13 @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 07:40 AM) Kenny W is freakin stupid if even thinks about trading Cliff. He's been phenomenal for us this year. it would probably mean KW would be getting baez. IMO politte is pitching over his head but he has been just too lights out to deal him. especially with hermie hurtin. if this trade happens KW must really really be confident in jenks

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 07:31 AM) I still think its brinksmanship. When you have lots of interest you play one off another. When you have little interest you play like you want to keep him. I think AJ will be dealt, I just think the Marlins want to maximise their bounty that they shall receive on the AJ transaction. i tend to agree, especially with the way the national media is involved in every step of this thing, anythign that is released really influences the deal. which imo is the reason KW always wants to fly under the radar....

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 06:55 AM) Rocco Baldelli will not be a Red Sox. He is 180 degrees from what they are looking for with the Bill James philosophy on OBP. He only took 30 walks last year and had an OBP of only .326. It will never happen. bill james also said its absurd to ever draft a high school pitcher, yet they took teh kid from waubansie valley in the supp 1st round

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 12:13 AM) Yeah they both had good ERA's as relievers. Too bad Jeff Bajenaru didn't though. if we trade bmac and contreras and el duque goes down, everyone keeps sayin we have no insurance. well imo diaz pitched every bit as well last year as bmac has this year. this outing is really encouraging too. everyone talks about bmac, gio, liotta, etc as future guys, but i remain optimistic for diaz and munoz (especially arnie, hes still quite young).

QUOTE(Sam @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 12:42 AM) I believe it was Scott Shelton of the Rangers. ill always remember him for getting locked into the bathroom between innings of a minor league game. they had to delay the game 20 minutes to find him and get him out. somehow the bathroom door got locked from teh outside he got stuck inside. hilarious