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QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 04:46 PM) Gio is an A ball. And what the hell does "who actually will attack the zone" mean. Brandon's always had good control and always attacks the zone, that makes no freakin sense. hahahah i was thinkin the same exact thing when i read that post

QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 04:38 PM) NO my daddy can beat up your daddy this is your best defense? Giles and Furcal are both FA at the end of year..See there is process Free Agency Rules: # Must have 6 full years of Major League service time to be eligible for free agency (both Disabled-List and Active Roster time count for service) (1 year of service is equal to 182 days or the number of days fro, Opening Day thru final day of season) # The players' contract must also expire for him to be eligible for Free Agency # Players can not sign with other teams then their own until after the 15-Day Period following the conclusion of the World Series. During the 15 days they can negotiate with their previous team and if an agreement is not reached, that player can file for Free Agency. # Sometime between Dec. 18 and Dec. 22 players who are not arbitration eligible, cannot re-sign with their old teams until May 1st of the next year. # Players who are offered arbitration can re-sign till January 8th. On this day they must declare whether they accept or reject arbitration. If he accepts arbitration he has re-signed with his old team can still can sign a deal with that team before his arbitration hearing. If he goes into arb., the single year contract value is decided by an MLB arbitrator # An un-signed player who has at least 3 years of service time is also eligible for arbitration. The top 1 third of players as determined by their statistics are also be eligble for arbitration. Players are arb.-eligible again in there 4th and 5th years of service, if he does not have a multi-year contract and meets requirmentss. A player with 2 years of service time, if an arbitrator deems the player a Super-Two. This usually happens if a player has been a starter for his first two seasons and his stats resembles those of the top players at that position. # A minor league player who has spent the previous six years with the same organization is also eligible for minor league free agency. A player that has six years of minor league service, with various teams, is also deemed a six-year Minor League FA. # At the end of each year each free agent is dubbed a Type A or Type B or Type C depending on their stats with Type A free agents being at the top third of the stats that MLB uses. A team that loses a Type A free agent is compensated with the 1st round pick of the team that signs him. This team also gets a supplemental or sandwich pick between rounds 1 and 2. A team losing a Type B free agent is simply compensated with the highest player that is signed. For instance if Team A signs X and O but only O who was picked in the 2nd round was signed. Team B would only get Player O not X. But in both cases a team selecting in the 1st half of the 1st round cannot lose its 1st round pick. Teams that lose Type C free agents are compensated with a sandwich pick between rounds 2 and 3. im not gonna comment on the last few posts cuz quite frankly they are too long too read, but these posts are pointless. we are debating based purely on only the moves that someone wants to see happen? i mean these aren't even rumors that come from a newspaper, they are just some rumors from a poster. this is dumb. quit arguing about it. who cares

QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 03:10 PM) Well since everyone seems to want to be the GM.. Why not listem to the man of reason .. And who else to bring it to you straight than well ME.. Well after 4 years of giving away our farm system for below avg MLB players KW finally realized that this is not the best way to keep one of the easiest jobs in baseball. So finally after JR hired Ozzie, and Ozzie spoke his Mouth KW finally changed the makeup and I give you the 2005 white sox. But with that being said we are pretty much set as a team. KW with his many many failures finally realized that you can not give up the farm.. Who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks, someone needed to give him my number 3 years ago..We as fans would have been seeing this type team since 03..Other than a RP we are not going after anyone big. It doesn't make any sense, granted we are close to the big pitcure..but, we are missingabout 2-3 pieces that we cannot get till this offseason. These past couple of series against Oak and Boston further proving that we are close but don't have enough to win against the playoff teams. So here is by far the best plan to compete for the crown C- Resign AJ to a 3 year deal, This is by far one of KW best moves in actually doing his job and proving us wrong for the first time in years.. AJ, should get rewarded. 1B- Well here is where most will disagree because of your love of Pauly, But he is not the answer by any means, So this offseason we trade off Contreas and Dye to Milwaukee For Lyle Overbay and a minor leaguer.. OverBay is what we need at this postion. Very good D, hits for contact. When you see the lineup you will understand where he fits 2B- Iguchi, he needs an exentsion.. AS I stated when I first started on this board, I belived that this is what we needed to secure this postion. ANd so far he is everthing that I knew he would be. SS- This is a postion that I stated in the offseason we needed to bring in another options, that Uribe was not the answer here. But, leave it to KW aftere failing to secure the postion to overpay for a UTL player in Uribe. So this offseason, we need to finallize this postion for the next 4-5 years with someone who is an everyday SS, that is Rafel Furcal. He fits exactly everything we are looking for out of a SS. 3B- Crede, He stays.. His D is way to valueable, I was wrong to think that Uribe could just take over.. LF- POds.. I don't think I have to explain on why he needs to stay or why he should get an extension CF- Rowand.. Already signed and very good just needs to get over that hump.. and he will no worries RF- With Dye gone we need a replacement, and the best option is Brain Giles, an LHB RF with speed. Granted over the years Giles speed isn't what it once was but enough to grant him a Spot in RF DH- Here is where it gets tricky. I love Frank and want to see him retire a Sox..But not at the money he is making.. We have to make damn sure that he is healthy..But evern still if he is anything more than 4 mil a year is way to much for 1 dimental player. SP Marky and freddy are signed for a while no need to mess with this duo Garland..Sign a 2 year deal, I am not sold on his sucess this season..But I have been known to be wrong every once in a while Now onto starter # 4 There is only 1 option that makes sense that fits what it is what we are looking for.. Jarrod Washburn, Angels have stated that they are not going to resign, he fits what it is that we would need.. And leave ElDque as our #5 this leave us to skip some if his starts to help him not miss to many starts when we need him So here is the lineups going into next year LF- Scott Pods 2b- Iguchi RF- Giles DH Thomas 1b OverBay CF Rowand C Aj 3b Crede SS Furcal 1- Marky B 2. Garcia 3. Washburn 4 Garland 5. Hernandez dye signed a 2 year contract, furcal is said to be seeking rollins money, the sox wont give him that.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 02:41 PM) After 2 scoreless inning AJ Burnett just hit a solo homer... can he play SS???

QUOTE(South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 12:38 PM) I will throw up when the Cubs pick him up.. :puke its a damn good possibility, better have a barf bag handy

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 12:24 PM) ESPN News has a Red Sox reporter on and says that despite reports, they aren't that hot after Burnett. Doesn't think Arroyo would make sense but mentions the Red Sox have some quality pitching prospects down in the minors. Basically put, doesn't think the Red Sox are big on Burnett. word is red sox dont wanna give up on many of their prospects either. they like alvarez and papelbon and ramirez too much. they have their world series now, and i dont think they wanna spend like hell, and are gonna try to build another championship the cheaper way

QUOTE(Yossarian @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 12:01 PM) IIRC at first the official gave him a SB, then changed it to a caught stealing. Anyone go the game or have a better view. I wasn't sure he was out from the camera angle I was looking at. he was easily safe and then came off the bag by about 1 inch. a truly ticky tacky call that rarely gets called. imo it should be scored as a stolen base of 2nd, and then CS of 3rd base, since a pickoff goes in the book as a CS, even tho it wasnt a pickoff, it was pretty much the same thing

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 12:10 PM) I don't think it would take that much to get Griffey. IF your willing to take on his contract, the Reds will unload him with open arms, imo. I've been saying for a while (not speaking in terms of the Sox) but Griffey would be a key player at the trade deadline and may just be the best guy to trade for (at least offensively speaking). Once again, I'm speaking in terms of baseball in general, not saying he'd be the best pickup for the Sox. Omar Vizquel and Billy Wagner would be the best the Sox could do, imo. A close 2nd would be Vizquel and Schmidt (if they could get them giving up Contreras and a few minor leaguers, I'd do it). Of course I don't think either of these would happen. id just about s*** myself if the sox get burnett spin him for wagner, and then find a way for that schmidt thing to work with a deal centered around contreras.

QUOTE(VAfan @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 12:16 PM) Exactly. BMac for Burnett straight up might be a great move for Florida. I still remember how BMac was outdueling Mark Prior in Wrigley Field in his initial game until Ozzie pulled him too soon. He needs time to settle in, and then could join Cotts, Jenks, Politte, Garland, and Buerhle as homegrown pitching stars. Backing El Duque again next year, I could see him winning 15 games within 2 years. Look at what Oakland does. They find good young pitchers and go with them. They don't buy other teams' FA outcasts. KEEP BMAC. check up on your chisox minor league history, cotts came from oakland, jenks from anaheim, garland from cubs, and politte was already a mlb veteran when the sox got him from toronto. only buerhle is the true homegrown outa that bunch

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 12:04 PM) Just explain to me how Burnett has been a better pitcher than Contreras this season. nipple rings.....

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 11:52 AM) If the Sox are willing to bench Thomas/Everett than I think this would make a lot of sense. Griffey is better than both of them (although Everett has been huge for the club this year). Plus it adds that lefty bat and I'd stick him in the middle of the order. if thomas is gonna be out for a while longer, and personally, i feel that that could very well happen. id welcome griffey with open arms, and put griffey strictly at DH and do the same rotation where everett gives pods 1 day off a week, dye 1 day off a week, rowand 1 day off a week (with pods in center) and griffey Jr. 1 day off a week. question is, will JR dish out that kidna money? and will we have the guys to deal if we lose our best bargaining chip (at least who cincy would want most) to florida in bmac

QUOTE(Soxfest @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 12:00 PM) no suprise to me i am a little bit, i woulda thought that at least we could get something maybe in a package with a guy like munoz for someone like cintron

no disagreement from me there

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 11:56 AM) Totally disagree. I have my reasons for it, but no one and I mean no one should be writing off Brandon McCarthy. He's pitched back to back good games and is getting back on pace. He's had some stuff come up, but he's bouncing back and is going to be a very good major league pitcher. chisoxfn, i dont mean to come off like i am writing him off, im simply saying now maybe the perfect time to deal him, because im not sure he is as good as some out there think he is. i mean he is in some peoples book right behind the felix hernandez's, and im not sure if thats how i would classify him

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 11:54 AM) I completely agree. whats funny is that before last year the only recognition of any kind bmac had was that he was gonna be a throw in to boston in the whole nomar, magglio arod deal(s)

here is one reason i like this deal. brandon mccarthy is a strong pitching prospect. but lets face the facts here. this guy is one of the more overrated prospects. most people say you cant tell how a pitcher will really pitch until he hits AA ball. and what has he done at or above AA. 3-1 3.46 29Ks in 26 innings in AA in 2004, are good solid numbers. stud prospect numbers? not quite. career in AAA: 3-7 5.17 ERa in 78.1IP with 94 Ks. certainly impressive K rates, but still the ERA and 14 homers is alot granted the bandbox in charlotte. even his #s at low A ball werent dominating, 8-5 3.64 94 IP 113 Ks. again, the k rate is the only outstanding number. the only place he truly dominated was at high A, and had a good showing in like 20 innings of spring training when hitters are trying to get in a groove. IMO the white sox know that his status as an elite prospect is probably overrated. dont get me wrong, i wouldnt mind holding on to him, i just think his market value is higher than his real value right now, and thus i dont mind selling high

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 11:35 AM) Bronson Arroyo is a pretty solid pitcher who would be pretty good in the NL, imo. Plus they get a prospect. Its not that much different of an offer. However I think they'd consider an offer around Contreras and someone else could intrigue them, but Kenny doesn't want to deal Jose or thats the gist I'm picking up. how Fing sweet would it be, if KW completely controls this trade market, nabs burnett for marte bmac, spins him for wagner. then nails together a package of something like chris young, tracey, for lilly, then sends lilly uribe and contreras for schmidt and vizquel...............obviously me dreaming but man that would completely take every competitor out of the trade market, tho it woud be trading two of our top three pitching prospects, top OF prospect, and count and marte.

QUOTE(SoxFan562004 @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 10:09 AM) Thanks! Yeah, Wednesday night at about 5:00 p.m. my liver is going to get punished!! It's a weird ordeal to go through, and can't wait for it to be over! my brother is taking it too....good luck

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 09:55 AM) Screw it. I'm in. Officially put me in the Pro-Burnett camp. I have enough confidence in Kenny Williams that if he trades Marte for Burnett, he can go out and fill the LH void created by his departure. Who's with me!!!??? as long as that LH void aint kevin walker im in

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Jul 23, 2005 -> 04:56 PM) Jason Bay was also traded to the Pirates for Giles, wasn't he? yes he was

QUOTE(kdhargo @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 07:44 AM) A recent article from the NY Post has a small mention of Mets GM Omar Minaya being obsessed to find the Mets a power bat at first or right field either in this trade market or in the offseason. Paul Konerko is a free agent whom Minaya likes. If he's "obsessed" over Konerko, wonder if the Sox have looked into trading Paulie prior to the deadline rather than just not resigning him? Depending on deep Minaya's obsession runs, one could try to package Konerko with Crede and maybe obtain Wright and another bat (Floyd?) and/or another prospect for the two. *shrugs* the mets wont trade wright. you can write that down and stamp it

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jul 23, 2005 -> 08:32 PM) Apparently, Bruce Boche(sp?) is having dinner with Nevin to convince him to leave. They're going to bench him if he doesn't leave in favor of Xavier Nady I think it was. SD will take Konerko because they will look at his HR numbers. Trust me, they'd take PK for Lawrence. are you joking? thereason they want to dump nevin is cuz he has a big contract and will be a FA after next year. with konerko, hes big money and will be gone after this year. yeah i think hes worth brian lawrence

QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 06:17 AM) This guy spends too much time on the DL to re-sign him to a long-term deal. If we do get this guy- it will be for the stretch run and this year's playoffs only. Trading away Marte would mean KW needs to find another lefty... (Wagner *cough) Screw it... I say go for it KW! Lets go for the whole enchalata! We will worry about our future in the offseason. jose, marte for burnett, burnett spun off to philly for wagner, bmac sweeney uribe and baj for schmidt vizquel. i know allthat is damn near impossible but id s*** myself.

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Jul 22, 2005 -> 01:36 PM) Not arguing with you or anything, but Garland was taken I believe in the 1st or 2nd round and BMac was in the 19th... yeah, but garland never led the minors in K's and never nearly won MLPOY

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jul 22, 2005 -> 01:20 PM) Your an ass dude. A complete and total jerk. What is even worse is that you are stupid to boot. So not only are you a complete jerkass, but you don't have the brains to recognize it. You are wrong a lot. A lot more than you care to recall. You make assumptions yet state them as if they are fact. You make judgements, yet state them as if they were fact. The truth is you make way too many assumptions and judgements on just about everything and have no substance to any of your posts. To make matters worse you have nothing to back up your pointless arguments. You just throw stuff out there and hope it sticks and most of the time it is a complete and utter bulls*** with a bunch of random thoughts thrown in. Griffey is the power left-handed bat we need and have needed for a long time. Sub-par? Do you watch him play? You don't know what you are talking about. Griffey could play either CF/RF or DH. Rowand could play either RF or CF. Dye could play 1B or RF or DH. Where is the problem? SSI i gotta side with you here, anthrax has made some bad posts in teh last few days and has been a dick about it however, i agree with anthrax that griffey doesnt fit anywhere, (though id love to havehim, i just think dye is too big a liability at 1b, but maybe not) but if the chisox somehow made it work it would def. be worth it