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QUOTE(Y2HH @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 06:21 AM) Every year KW makes big trades and I hear words like "mortgages the future by selling out the farm", being tossed around...yet we always seem to have more prospects...who we RARELY ever see in the majors. I thought we sold the farm in 2001. And in 2002. I thought we mortgaged the future in 2003. Again in 2004? Wait...now it's 2005 and we have a REAL team, balanced, can pitch, etc... Prospects = overrated. Trade them all. Mortgaging the future...listen to yourselves...WHAT FUTURE...WE HAVEN'T WON ANYTHING SINCE 1917!#$!#@#! If it's more of THAT future you speak of, you can take the future and stick it! i agree. in my opinion the only prospects who are ever untouchable are sure fire guys. the guys like delmon young, and felix hernandez. i mean i remember when people threw a fit that we traded anthony webster to texas. tell me what these guys have amounted to? the only ones who have contributed are gary majewski, kip wells and josh fogg. fogg has been just plain bad, wells has been ok. but even i will say that the ritchie deal was abysmal. but what about webster? rupe? frankie francisco had 1 good year then went nuts and hurt himself. olivo is a huge bust. reed will be a decent OFer, but in our system would still be ranked behind anderson and young IMO. rauch hasnt amounted to anything. reed, majewski and morse are the only ones who look like htey might be solid major leaguers, and lets face it majewski 1.) isnt as good as his numbers this year, and 2.) nobody shed a tear when he left. morse.....1.) the sox wanted to get rid because of personal issues, and 2.) also isnt really as good as he has done this year. if he was the mariners wouldnt have started wilson valdez at the beginning of the year now look at who we got in trades like those.....garcia, everett (2nd in RBIs on this team playin in fewer games than most). those two alone are a huge reason why we are in 1st. yes alomar and ritchie sucked, but the guys we have gotten have had a bigger impact than the guys we gave up. so if KW wants to deal bmac, young, anderson etc......go for it. i want to see our guys with a ring

QUOTE(Y2HH @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 06:15 AM) Yes, I don't know why anybody who knows about the AJ/Tomko history would even post such a rumor. This is so very very bad. not only does tomko suck, badly might i add, but as everyone has said AJ would kill him. this is quite possibly teh worst thread ever

QUOTE(whitesox91403 @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 01:12 AM) Wow, way over my head. I stand corrected. I thought Glover came from our system. i would like to see eyre. hes solid, last few years have been good. i remember seein a sports center piece on him saying that when he was with the sox he had ADD and nobody knew. i guess he was diagnosed once he was in SF i believe and he got things straightened out and apparently he said it really helped his pitching and his concentration on the mound. i would like to trade for him, especially if martes gone

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 05:27 AM) Gload's never played a full major league season before, and you just know when they didn't call him up when he was still healthy, they just don't think of him as a future everyday player (even though I know a lot of people round here do think he is). Oh and Overbay has 16 HR's this season so far, he's on pace for a .300/30HR/100RBI season. not to mention .390 OBP is damn solid

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 05:25 AM) Not so good on the Burnett front; Miami Herald - Sun - Times - http://www.suntimes.com/output/sox/cst-spt-ssep27.html yep, both florida papers, teh miami herald and sun sentinel said that the odds of burnett being dealt are slim. they did both say however that the red sox appear to have fallen out of the bidding, leaving the white sox as the only team really pursuing him. it said that could change with clement having been hit, and boston could feel like they need to up the anti

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 02:26 PM) Steve Phillips shouldn't be allowed to comment on anything. He was the worst gm in baseball when he was with the Mets and yet he's allowed to break down deals and gm's??? he did get to a world series tho

QUOTE(danman31 @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 02:23 PM) Adkins has been absolutely awful this year at Charlotte. I wouldn't want him pitching in the Sox rotation this year. Adkins is 4-8 with a 5.68 ERA and 1.57 WHIP in AAA. That's just bad. Another option might be (dun dun dun) Arnie Munoz. He's been up and down this year for Charlotte and his ERA is under 4. Ok I was kidding, he's god awful. We have nothing after BMac. munoz is a good option imo. have you seen mccarthys numbers htis year at AAA also?? SAME AS ADKINS! so i dont know how you can say adkins isnt an option but bmac is

QUOTE(BlackBetsy @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 02:23 PM) What does Phillips say about KW? nothin good, talks about how KW is agressive, and hes real personal with other GMs asks about their families etc. he said KW gets obsessed, when he liked player on another team he will call and offer, if they reject hell make a different offer, and same thing again. he said hes not afraid to make a deal and is one of the best at doing so

QUOTE(rangercal @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 12:56 PM) Aubrey Huff would be a better pick up than Burnett or Schmidt IMO , overbay would be even better than huff

QUOTE(Chisoxrd5 @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 10:20 AM) For the record, thanks for your post, but I'm gonna use whatever nickname I darn well please.... TIA fair enough

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 10:17 AM) Dude, calm down. I could give a s*** less if we called him "Ass Licker" as long as he produces.... haha im calm, im not like upset about it, i just think its a weak nickname. btw ass licker would be fine too

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 10:15 AM) Following BMac/Marte for Burnett and Lowell, KW pulls of a Contra/Anderson for Griffey.......? Yes or No easily yes, but i changed your question, im not tradin bmac/marte for lowell alone

QUOTE(dmbjeff @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 10:12 AM) I for one would be all about trading for Griffey, but not for ARow......after Frank's latest set back.....i think we could slide griffey into the DH role....i know Crazy Carl has done a solid job this season, but when he has been much better batting right handed then he has left handed.....i could see griffey DH'ing vs righties.....vs lefties give carl the nod....when u figure most teams only have 1-2 lefties in their rotation, seems like a good move to me.....everett could also spell the of's spot as he has been doing and griffeys bat has been hot all year....i think we do this deal but for some prospects not ARow for the record can we please stop calling rowand ARow. those are the worst nicknames, the ones with the first letter of first name first three of last, and its not like anyone actually uses it outside message boards. the only time it shoudl be used is in the case of arod, cuz he was the first to use it. i mean why dont we call AJ apie

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 09:29 AM) Why are a bunch of people nervous about giving up both Contreras and BMac? BMac's El Duque's insurance? What kind of insurance? 0-1 w/ 8.14 ERA insurance. I could understand if you just don't want to give up BMac because he's a top pitching prospect and will eventually be good, but don't give me this insurance excuse. The only insurance BMac provided this year was a worm body and an arm to throw the ball to the plate. If El Duque goes down, god forbid, Jon Adkins can step in and provide better insurance than BMac did. i was one of the people who said we cant lose him due to the fact that he was insurance, and in thinking about what you said.....ill flip flop, you are actually completely right. munoz could even be used if not adkins, hes been throwing well at AAA.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 09:02 AM) Would you guys do Contreras, Bmac, Sweeney and say Valido for Schmidt and Vizquel. I must say, I'd definately think long and hard about it. Mainly because I want Vizquel badly Plus Schmidt is a total horse and wouldn't be a 3 month rental. no, i wouldnt, because bmac + contreras = no backup if el duque goes down. however, if it was one or the other, i would, or if we traded for redman, and moved him to SF instead of one or the other. valido is too much of an unknown at this point. besides in todays game you have to really excell at stealing bases if you dont hit for power, and valido doesnt project to hit for much power. valido imo is more likely to become willie harris/wilson valdez than anything else. schmidt adds alot, and i dont want to hear the crap about "schmidt only has a 4.7 ERA in a pitchers park in the NL so contreras must be better since his ERA is 4.3" schmidt is an obvious upgrade. as far as vizquel, upgrades are obvious on O, slightly worse on D than uribe, but not enough to make a significant difference.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 08:31 AM) Let me sink the "Sox can't pitch" ship rightaway with this note in today's Trib I guess Boston sucks offensively, huh. haha thankfully gil heredia sucked in spring training for us in 2003, otherwise if he was good we may have never found esty, never had contreras.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 07:18 AM) If you let stats rule your thinking, and don't use your eyes, you are limiting yourself. Baseball is a game of so many nuances that can never be adequately measured by stats. To me, stats are something I check to verify what my eyes are telling me, or make me take a closer look. exactly you need a little of each

QUOTE(knightni @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 07:57 AM) How strong is his throwing arm? I'd say if it is pretty good, put him in LF and make Pods the DH. Too many guys are taking extra bases on Pods' weak arm. really thats not a bad idea, everett either, at least while frank is out. i think the thing is that pods covers so much damn ground tho. you dont see many doubles split the OFers, many get caught or cut off and held to singles....at least when they dont run on his arm

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 07:47 AM) He cant spell Crede, Pablo would be a better option, he is brutal at 3B and pablo isnt?? anyone in here ever take a look at pablos track record. 45 ERRORS IN THe MINOR LEAGUES ONE YEAR! 45!!! EDIT: IN 133 GAMES!

QUOTE(S720 @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 07:34 AM) I prefer Schmidt and Vizquel for this year as well. However, this might be our only chance to acquire a power pitcher at a fairly young age of 28. The vision of our starting pitching lineup - Buerhle, Burnett, Garland, Garcia - together for a few years is just making me drool. yeah that would be solid, but the fact of the matter is that schmidt probably wont sign with us if we trade for him. in which case i also prefer schmidt cuz he has next year too. the only way burnett would sign here is if it was a 4 year 11 mil type deal, and KW proved this offseason that big contracts that take up a large amoutn of the payroll jsut arent a good idea. tho...i will say if we are gonna invest id rather invest big in pitching even tho there is a greater injury concern, esp in burnetts case

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 07:05 AM) Either way works for me. I would definately rather have Tex in the middle of the line up vs Konerko. seriously if teixeira is legitimately out there, and ive heard he is, oh man, id send whatever tehy wanted. id do bmac young and tracey. teixeira is an absolute stud. switch hitter, like 24 years old, a much more natural hitter than PK, tex is the whole package

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 07:06 AM) What? i heard cameron, heilman and yuserimo petit

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 06:37 AM) A lot of teams want Huff, but it sounds like Chuck Lamarr is a little insane when it comes to asking price. I doubt anything happens here. personally, im suer the sox interest has increased since thomas is gonna be out. i like huff alot. before his subpar 1st half, i thought this guy would eventually have a year or two of MVP type numbers. he still may. i think he is absolutely the perfect fit for the chisox, because he can spell crede at 3rd, he can spell konerko at 1st, he can also play the corner OF. not to mention he is left handed, and his acquisition would mean that the sox could afford to not have to pay konerko this offseason and can let him walk. this guy is a pure hitter too, can catch up to any fastball and has a sweet stroke from the left side, something we need

QUOTE(S720 @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 06:58 AM) Damn, this suspense is killing me! I can't take it anymore! I am going insane with anticipation! I... I... I... I would love to have Schmidt AND Vizquel on this team. Burnett AND Lowell or Schmidt AND Vizquel Make your selection known! its a tough call, the last few weeks ive been saying schmidt over burnett, but i think burnett may be pulling closer. a better question is omar vs. lowell. considering our style of play and the money, i think vizquel is a better option. the only people i have ever seen that have softer hands than omar are ozzie smith and marvin harrison. i feel like burnetts stock can only get worse than what it is now, and i feel that schmidts will only go up. so i would tend to buy low and go with schmidt and vizquel.

QUOTE(SHAFTR @ Jul 25, 2005 -> 10:41 PM) I just read this at Beyond the Box Score (a site that I enjoy quite a lot). here is the link: http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/story/2005/7/25/195312/129 ------ Thoughts on the White Sox The White Sox have played like two different teams in and out of the division. Record v. AL Central: 31-7 Record v. Others: 33-26 I dug deeper and tested a hypothesis of mine: RS/Game v. AL Central: 4.76 RS/Game v. Others: 4.81 RA/Game v. AL Central: 3.24 RA/Game v. Others: 4.39 There is very little difference between the runs scored between divisional matchups, but the pitching is completely different, completely average, in non-divisional games. I think it's a fairly safe bet to put the White Sox in the playoffs at this point, but hold off on the World Series tickets. A lot of their great pitching is the product of a very weak offensive division, with 3 of the 4 lowest-scoring teams in the AL as frequent opponents (the Royals, Twins, and Indians haven't been too great offensively, and the Tigers are in the middle of the pack). And their offense has taken a step back from last year; 97 games into the season last year, the Sox had scored 526 runs. Currently, they have 465. Part of that is because it seems that offensive numbers as a whole in the AL are a bit down, but that's not the whole story and that doesn't account for a loss of 61 runs so far and a projected loss of 88 runs for the full season. Offensively, the White Sox are merely average, thus far, averaging close to 4.8 R/G, in total, which is near the American League average. A few other things: - One of the reasons for their success is how well they've done against the Indians... they're 10-3, even after having only outscored the Indians by 10 runs in those 13 games. If you were to flip that record around (say the White Sox went 3-10 in those games), you'd see major differences in the standings. W L GB Cleveland 58 41 -- Chicago 57 40 -- Minnesota 53 45 4.5 Detroit 49 49 8.5 Kansas City 36 62 21.5 Unbalanced schedule at work. The Sox have only played 5 games against the Twins, meaning that there's plenty of time for a pennant race. So far, the White Sox have the upper hand and the Twins can't hit. But it should make for an interesting pennant race. Clutch? So far, so good for the White Sox. TOTAL RISP White Sox .261/.322/.421 .264/.337/.419 Opponents .248/.313/.393 .225/.318/.350 Finally, a look at run distribution, as per Dave Studeman over at The Hardball Times. Based on their run distribution now, the White Sox are projected to have won 63 games (assuming I've done the math correctly). Their standard Pythagorean projection is at 58 wins, and 1st-order Pythagenport has them at 57 wins. So run distribution maintains that the White Sox have done much better than the average, especially in games in which they score or allow 1 run (they've been held to 1 run 2 fewer times than expected and have given up only 1 run 5 more times than expected), and in games which they score or allow 5 runs. Run distribution values have the caveat that I haven't quite perfected the "Above Average" methodology I'm using... sabermetric statistics are always gonna have a tough time explaining this teams success, because, well, sabermetrics place 0 value in the way the sox try to win games. close games are won becuase of defense, pitching and small ball. the sox arent gonna outslug the opponents, this is widely known, so they are gonna win alot of 3-2 ball games, thus the run diff isnt gonna be that much higher. yes ill admit the sox got lucky in winning some games, but didnt other teams too? so far we have lost 2 games on a jermaine dye dropped routine fly, and a crede dropped routine pop up. ill agree that teh white sox arent quite as good as their record would indicate (109 wins at this pace places them in top 20 all time). i know this because i watch the white sox. the biggest problem i have with statheads is taht i watch a game and will say that one guy has great range, or one guy has patience at teh place and that leads to not only walks, but the guy waiting for and crushing mistakes. statheads meanwhile, tell me the same thing, only somehow, they are smarter because they use numbers. i dont need to see VORP or winshares to knwo that barry bonds is the best player in the league. and if they came up witha list of top 20 most productive players, and i did, ill bet the list would differ by no more than 3 players. again, they just have a way of quantifying what a scout or a fan would see.