South Side Fireworks Man

QUOTE (everafan @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 10:04 PM) The guy had it coming and was acting like an ahole. If whatever the guy was doing was so bad, why didn't someone sitting close to him call for security? Why did Oney's "girlfriend" have to come from all the way across the room and confront him? Then, whatever the kid said to her, did it warrant a physical attack? Why couldn't she just call security if whatever he said to her was so offensive? And given that the girl walked across the room to assault a heckler at a roast, wasn't she also acting like an Ahole and didn't she "have it coming"??

QUOTE (LVSoxFan @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 04:01 PM) Everafan just posted of being right there and seeing the whole thing and that the heckler deserved it so I'm unclear what the controversy here is. I don't think anybody agrees that Oney's a tool, but I'm not sure why this incident is being used to indict Ozzie. A poster on WSI says he was there sitting right next to the kid who got slapped. Here's how he described it: "I sat right next to the kid that got slapped by Oney's skank and tossed out for doing almost nothing." So we have a descrepancy as to how bad whatever the heckler said was. But there's no disputing the facts that a guy was heckling Oney at a roast when Oney's girlfriend went out of her way to walk across the room and confront, then slap the guy. Then he gets thrown out but apparently not her. Oney then tweets in what I guess was supposed to be a threat that he's waiting outside for anyone that had the audacity to boo him at a roast. Then apparently Ozzie, instead of ignoring the incident uses the microphone to curse at the heckler then call him a "Southsider" in a derogatory manner. It wouldn't be too big a deal if this was an isolated incident but it's just one more time that Oney/Ozzie have been involved in a public display of poor behavior.

QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Jan 22, 2011 -> 01:42 PM) I'm glad Ozzie is here for at least two more years, hope he's here even longer. Just because they picked up his option for 2012 doesn't guarantee he will be the manager next year. It just guarantees he'll be paid next year. Since they sunk so much money in this year's payroll, the extra few million they guaranteed to pay Guillen next season was worth it to assure that Guillen's contract status didn't become a daily distraction throughout the 2011 season. But if the Sox don't win the division this year he probably will and most assuredly should be fired. And if he or his family keep embarrassing the organization, he should be gone as well. Winning will give him more leeway, but there's a limit to everything.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 22, 2011 -> 11:20 AM) Really? Is the guy who got punched going to press charges? I heard the guy who got punched was then thrown out of the event and then Ozzie called him a bunch of names, using the term "Southsider" as a pejorative.

Ozzie and Oney are an embarrassment to the White Sox and their fans.

If only Ozzie will use him properly as a LOOGY and not misuse him as he did with Randy Williams, Boone Logan, etc.

Misleading thread title.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 29, 2010 -> 05:41 PM) In case you haven't checked, this has now hit the front page list on ESPN.com. I notice they didn't go into the remarks about Jenk's personal problems that Oney tweeted. Although they did mention the tweet about Jenk's crying in the manager's office because he had "problems".

I can't believe anyone would think what Oney did was good for the Sox in any way. Nor can I believe that any mature person would feel that Oney was justified for his tweets about Jenks. Jenks, rightly or wrongly, criticizes the way Ozzie manages his bullpen. Oney responds by making personal information about marital problems, drinking problems, and other embarassing situations public. In the "real world" people are sued and peop[le lose their jobs over things like this. The Guillen family has no class and reflects poorly on the White Sox organization. JR's misplaced loyalty to Guillen isn't doing him any good either.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Dec 28, 2010 -> 06:12 PM) As parting shots go, this one seems fairly tame. I hope Ozzie won't take the bait and just shrugs this one off, but it's unlikely. I wish Oney would just shut up already.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Dec 24, 2010 -> 03:37 PM) Lol, they lost.... Pavano, Guerrier, Crain, Thome, Hardy, Harris, Cabrera, and Punto, right? And the only person they've added is some Japanese SS, right? Don't forget the Twins are "adding" Morneau and Nathan.

Apparently WSCR reporting Wood signed with Cubs for 1 year @$1.5M.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 16, 2010 -> 04:02 PM) I just want to say, I think Cowley has been the best Sox related reporter all off-season.

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Dec 11, 2010 -> 12:15 PM) The original rumor doesn't say they were looking to trade Quentin for relief pitching. It says for "a package that includes at least 1 reliever." That's a very different wording.From Dave van Dyck at the Tribune: "Absolutely incorrect," Williams said of recurring rumors. "It's been written that we're shopping Carlos Quentin. That's a lie. "Three teams asked about him (at the winter meetings) and I have not had one single conversation with anyone since. We'll add to our relief pitching without (trading) him."

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Dec 10, 2010 -> 06:03 PM) Per Cowley: Multiple sources confirmed that the Sox are actively looking to trade Quentin for a package w/bullpen help, but "are asking a lot so far.'' I'm not going to react much to any rumor/speculation that comes from Cowley. Now if RockRaines or DocSox posts something about this being in the works maybe my interest will perk up.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 06:21 PM) How much of Adam Dunn at 1b did you honestly watch last year? All the games against the Sox and most against the Cubs. He looked pretty bad - very awkward/clumsy and missed some easy throws that weren't charged to him as errors. And in previous years I remember him being embarassingly bad wherever he played on defense.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 06:18 PM) Well, if you go by either UZR or by runs saved, Adam Dunn at 1b really wasn't that much worse than Paul Konerko at 1b last year. But if you go by actually watching them play baseball, Dunn is a complete butcher in the field and Paulie is pretty decent.

QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 05:12 PM) If we can't get Paulie, I'm down with starting Viciedo and using that 12-15 million on relievers. You could build one hell of a bullpen with the cash freed up by playing Viciedo, who I think will make a hell of a corner infielder. The only problem I have with this scenario is with Ozzie as manager I just know we'll be seeing a lot of Adam Dunn at 1B and that would be a very bad thing. That's why I am now hoping for Derrick Lee. Even Ozzie isn't stupid enough to play Dunn at 1B when he has a gold glove caliber first baseman like Lee on the team, and Lee has been one of Ozzie's favorites from their days with the Marlins.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 06:09 PM) per espn: The White Sox were believed to be offering three years and between $36 million and $39 million. But Adam Dunn's new deal was worth $14 million a year, and indications are that Konerko's camp is holding strong for at least the same, if not slightly more. If true, Sox were already willing to overpay to bring back Paulie. If he won't sign for $39M, he doesn't really want to play for the Sox. Bye, Paulie! Paging Derrick Lee.....

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 06:04 PM) There is no way the Sox offered less than $36 million over three years (no info, just speculating). And that rate, the only disrespecting is Konerko demanding more. I would love to see the Sox sign Lee and then see Konerko get a shaft if this is all true about his $15 million mandate. I am just sick of athletes clamoring that they are being disrespected with offers of $10-plus million per year. Please. That's just typical Cowley trying stir up s*** against Kenny Williams yet again. There's no way KW made Konerko an offer that "disrspected" him and there's no way Paulie felt disrespected by the offer the Sox made. Cowley's just being an asshole as usual.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 05:52 PM) If it's not about the money, then PK needs to quit f***ing about and say that and tell the Sox he's not coming back. If it's not a money issue then what the hell else does he want?? It is kind of sounding like Paulie is using the Sox to drive up his price and get more money out of the Diamondbacks. I don't blame KW for not pissing around with this anymore. Bring on D. Lee and the bullpen arms. I don't think Paulie really wants to play for the White Sox anymore. I don't know the reason why but all the signs are there. His comments at the end of the season that the Sox could offer him more money than another team and he still might not return indicated that he was tired of playing for the Sox. One could have speculated that he didn't think the Sox would "go all in" and that was the reason, but now the Sox have brought back AJ who took a lower offer to return and then deferred half of his 2011 salary, and they also signed Dunn who deferred part of his salary. If Paulie really wanted to stay he would have jumped at any fair offer the Sox would have made. Since he's still holding out, I say move on. They can probably sign Derrick Lee along with two decent bullpen arms for what Konerko wants. Add in the two draft picks and it's a no-brainer. I really wanted Konerko back but since it's obvious that the Sox aren't his first choice, time to move on. I'm sorry to say that they're probably better off without him (if reports of him wanting $13 - 15M are accurate).

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Dec 6, 2010 -> 07:52 PM) He's been very clear that he wants to hear offers, hoping to find a place closer to home. I don't see how that's him being unfair in any way. I didn't say he's being unfair, but it's also fair that KW moves on if he doesn't get a prompt answer from Paulie. AJ took less money to be with the Sox and deferred half his 2011 salary to free up money for PK. Dunn deferred part of his salary to free up money for PK. Ozzie, KW, Reinsdorf and the White Sox fans all made it clear to Paulie that they love him and want him back. If he can't make up his mind by tomorrow or so, I say KW had better protect himself and move on to Plan B before Plan B is gone.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Dec 6, 2010 -> 05:56 PM) cst_sox “There’s a fine line - when do you risk losing ur Plan B and C in favor of trying 2b as patient as u can with ur Plan A.’’ KW on PK deadline 4 minutes ago KW is losing patience fast. If Paulie wants to screw around too much longer, KW should just go with Plan B. Maybe they can sign D. Lee for 2 years at half of what Paulie wants and use the rest of the money on the bullpen. I want Paulie back, but I'm wondering if he really wants to be here, considering his comments at the end of the season and his hesitance to re-sign now. I'd really be pissed if the Sox wait too long and he decides to sign elsewhere causing the Sox to miss out on their Plan B guy. s*** or get off the pot, Paulie!

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 4, 2010 -> 02:53 AM) We really don't want to see Teahen at 3B or RF, so it seems that KW has no choice but to do another Linebrink-esque deal to get him off the roster and away from the playing field. I don't want to see Teahen on the team at all. Many say his main asset is that he can "play all over" making him a super-sub. The truth is he can't really play well defensively anywhere. Sure he can put on a glove and be stationed at 3B, 2B, 1b, LF, or RF but he is a negative defender at any of those positions. But the main reason I don't want him on the team is Ozzie. Most other managers would use Teahen as a LH pinch hitter, backup 1B, and maybe once in a while at DH. I could live with that. But with Ozzie, I guarantee he will be this year's Kotsay, getting way too much playing time at the expense of Morel, and probably even Paulie, Dunn and whoever the RFer is. The fans will grow to hate him, not because of the player he is but because of the way Ozzie will over use and abuse him ala Duane Wise, Mark Kotsay, Mackowiak, Erstad, Timo, etc. Like all other GMs, KW has to put together a bench but he also has the added burden of "Ozzie proofing" the roster. Please KW, get rid of Teahen before his presence on Ozzie's squad comes back to bite us.

QUOTE (bschmaranz @ Dec 2, 2010 -> 10:28 PM) WOW, Christmas came early. Welcome back AJ! Great news! Now let's re-sign Paulie, get a closer and a RFer and we're good to go!