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QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 1, 2018 -> 11:39 AM) I think Loggains will be redeemed a bit in Miami, but not like he'll call plays. I don't think he was as strong willed as Gase to run the offense he wanted. Sounds like Fox did meddle a lot in the game planning. Ding, Ding, Ding! However, with a first year coordinator, he had to expect that.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 1, 2018 -> 07:58 AM) They need an actual PBP guy on the radio. Farmer would be fine as the analyst. DJ would be fine as the analyst. Having both is strange though. It is. I think that's why I enjoy it. It's strange, weird and different. Edit: I like it as a fan for the team. It would not work for a national audience that isn't invested in one of the teams.

Spring Training can't get here soon enough.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jan 31, 2018 -> 10:45 PM) I used to hate Farmer but have warmed up to him. Definitely an acquired taste. Very acquired. But, some of us like weird stuff, and Farmio falls under that. I agree. I know many people take the view of "just tell me what's going on in the game" view. For me it's too sterile. Baseball is entertainment. The weird and off the wall stuff between him and DJ adds to the entertainment, especially through the "rebuild" and bad baseball.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jan 31, 2018 -> 06:20 PM) Including Rodon, 34 pitchers in big league camp. Can never have too much pitching. Especially these days with 34 relievers used each game.

QUOTE (Jack Parkman @ Jan 31, 2018 -> 03:00 PM) What about scar tissue and range of motion just from going in there? I really don't think he would have any issues with velocity or anything other than what I mentioned. I don't know why they had to go in there to begin with. (disclaimer: not comparing myself to a world class athlete) but when I was pitching in HS I had bursitis in my throwing elbow, couldn't straighten it, got some IV antibiotics to help with the swelling and was good as new in a week. The difference is that the bursa in the elbow is to protect the joint (the reason you couldn't straighten it) while the one they are referring to in the shoulder protects the rotator cuff. If the bursa is chronically inflamed and scars it causes a decreased space around the Cuff and in turn causes and impingement without enough room for the cuff to move. Thus the reason to remove it. The issue now is without the bursa to protect the cuff there may be a compression on the cuff itself which typically causes a person to not want to raise their arm over their head. In a pitcher that would lower the arm angle. Scar tissue doesn't typically form in this area as it is relatively avascular. It's possible but this is all something they would know by now if he had a range of motion deficits.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 31, 2018 -> 01:44 PM) Except the Sox did make the playoffs in 2008, which was actually the year Detroit got Cabrera and KW said that just made them more competitive with the White Sox. They were also only one game out in 2010 if you use the current Wild card format.

QUOTE (Jack Parkman @ Jan 31, 2018 -> 02:54 PM) Honestly, I don't know that sticking him in the pen for 2018 only is a crazy idea. It would be crazy as it won't help build up the strength. He needs the innings. If he can't start, he won't go to the pen either.

QUOTE (Jack Parkman @ Jan 31, 2018 -> 02:35 PM) Nobody knows what his stuff will be like after the shoulder surgery. Even though, per all reports, there was no structural damage, shoulders are weird and he could come out in July/August throwing 91 and his slider might not have the bite it used to, or it could have no effect on his stuff. Until he's on the mound with the Sox, we just won't know. If the problem was truly what they said, it will have no effect on his stuff. His slider will definitely not be effected as that is mostly elbow issues. If any thing his slider will improve and the fastball will tail more with less velocity as he may drop his arm angle.

QUOTE (dasox24 @ Jan 31, 2018 -> 07:17 AM) It boggles my mind how bad of a move this is. Let a legitimate QB walk away, and instead replace him with an older QB, use draft capital and a solid young CB to do it, and then give that old QB $71M guaranteed over 4 years. How much more would Kirk have cost if they just locked him up last year when they should have? Yeah, if I were a Redskins fan, I'd be pissed. Yeah. I'm the first person to admit, I give the people in the industry the benefit of the doubt because they are on the inside and know more than me. I probably give them too much credit in most cases. However, it's really tough to figure out this one, unless cousins and the team had so much acrimony that there just was no solution. I would assume washington is drafting a QB early in the next draft or two. Smith is a good, professional stopgap but he can't play much longer at a high level.

QUOTE (BamaDoc @ Jan 31, 2018 -> 07:50 AM) I am sure they will use the rotating dh option primarily in A and A+. However, there is a likely time share in AA at catcher between Zavala and Collins. From a prospect standpoint, they take priority over Hawkins for me. Maybe there will be some trading during spring training. Also, you never know how injuries may affect the best paper plans. Always the wildcard in all of the plans.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jan 31, 2018 -> 03:03 AM) Woah fella, this is a family friendly message board. Sorry, sometimes I get carried away with enthusiasm.

QUOTE (3GamesToLove @ Jan 30, 2018 -> 02:36 PM) Boy, ridding ourselves of Ed Farmer would make all of this truly worth it. I watch the TV with the sound off and listen to the radio for the games. If Farmer goes (depending on the replacement) I may have to just the visual. This will on the other hand probably make my wife happy.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 30, 2018 -> 09:34 PM) American Indian is actually the preferred term for a lot of indigenous groups in the US. They use First Peoples a lot in Canada, not sure about Central and South America, but here American Indian is perfectly acceptable. e: thoroughly beaten by Leonard! In the lacrosse world where the Native Americans are dominant they want to be referred to as the Iroqouis nation, as Leonard said. as a matter of fact they cannot participate in any World Cup tournament outside north america because they do not have passports. No other countries recognize them as an Independent nation and they have no passports.

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Jan 30, 2018 -> 04:58 PM) It wasn't authentic... According to the group that ran it and various articles it was. That was part of the defense of it. That it wasn't a caricature or made up, it was authentic.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 30, 2018 -> 04:25 PM) I wasn't ever "offended" but I always thought 'The Chief' was dumb and corny as hell Are you racist for calling an authentic Native american dance "corny"

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Jan 30, 2018 -> 03:59 PM) Native Americans are more worried about food, water, jobs, money, preventing and treating alcohol/drug addiction, etc. than names that people came up with decades and decades ago that have now become part of the general lexicon without the racist connection. However, that doesn't mean it's unreasonable for NA's to be offended or that it's the end of the world if a private company decides to make a change. I think it's unnecessary, but whatever, if they want to do it, go for it. I objected and still object to the U of I's decision to get rid of the Chief, a beloved mascot that was honored and respected, because a few select liberal professors b****ed and whined, but whatever, there's no going back. On the statue issue, I'd like to see the FDR statues/monuments removed. The dude rounded up a bunch of people and put them in camps because they looked different. In the modern era no less. How is no one talking about this? Do you see the article about the professor possibly getting in trouble due to filming the Chief in the restroom? It is hilarious.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jan 30, 2018 -> 02:48 PM) Not sure how this shifted to statues, and not sure why statues would be a necessity to teach history either. I think the statue argument is never going to be 100% correct on either side, but I also think it doesn't really apply in this conversation so I'm not going to go further into it. It was in response to the poster who said in effect "you don't have a problem with the Indians logo, do you keep statues of Conferderates in your house"

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 30, 2018 -> 02:25 PM) Interesting discussion, but I think that there is subtext to Lee and other confederate generals. Washington, Jefferson, etc should definitely receive criticism for being slave owners. They also are afforded the defense of "they lived in a different time." But the 1840s were also a different time. Lee and Stonewall committed treason, to protect slavery. Again they are both afforded the defense of "they lived in a different time", but in the time they lived people were much more outspoken against slavery, and had Lee not resigned from his post in the US, who knows how history would have changed. People are judged by their actions and the future is generally unkind to those who held power in the past. Even those who had "good" intentions, often are seen in a much more critical light because it is hard to justify their decisions when you live in a different time. Even Lincoln falls victim to this. Confederates are responsible for almost as many American deaths as every other war/conflict the US has been involved combined. That is something that you cant defend, no matter what time they lived in. I agree with this. It's the people who see everything related to the Confederacy as slavery. There was much more to it. The treason part is where it always catches me. However, in the military there is always the "following orders" orders defense. Which doesn't work here as they could have been in the union army.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jan 30, 2018 -> 11:29 AM) Teaching history is absolutely different from exploiting racist images. So a statue of great generals in history would be exploiting racist imaging but a statue of General Washington or any other President who owned slaves is not.

QUOTE (Real @ Jan 30, 2018 -> 04:01 AM) I love your framing of the narrative. How about "Oh hey, let's change an obviously racist insensitive team mascot because it's the right thing to do." Just curious, do you have any confederate statues lying around your house? Generals Jackson and Lee are used extensively as experts in military strategy. Should this information not be taught because they were Confederates?

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 25, 2018 -> 04:32 PM) Uh, yeah well in my opinion if you are going to be an organizational body for these two, you have a duty to make sure the universities are treating players well. Isn't this the purpose behind creating policies on amount of practice time? But they can't punish a university (through it's mechanisms of their participation in the NCAA) for lack of oversight in the case of abuse of athletes? Like does the NCAA have jurisdiction to investigate things like the abuse of players under Tim Beckman's watch? If not, then why, and if so, then how would they not be able to play a role here? They do have the power to investigate. But they really don't have any legal means to do anything other than in the athletic realm. They could take away scholarships and things along that line. Some players said he pushed them back to playing after injuries and threatened to take away scholarships. When they couldn't play he didn't take them to the Bowl game. He was investigated and fired by the university. What more would the NCAA do? Part of treating the athletes well was firing the coach who was behind it. The NCAA is there to make the university handles it properly.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 25, 2018 -> 02:56 PM) This is an interesting discussion. When I first heard that as with UNC, the NCAA did not really have jurisdiction to have a ruling I was a bit angry about the sham of it all. The NCAA is such a sham institution, neither 100% university aligned or student aligned, but concerned about itself, then universities, then students. And the only true protection it will give students will be token and reactive. This really underscored how little protection student athletes have in situations like these. Basically they have title IX and absent that they have media. Wasn't this the exact purpose for which it was created? An independent organization created to make sure that neither the athlete nor the university gets unfair advantages. Granted, I too think that they've gotten so far off thier original purpose and have made rules too cumbersome. However, this was necessitated by either group continuing to find ways to cheat the system. Once, someone cheats, the NCAA made a rule to combat. Where the NCAA has gotten it wrong is that they have been too reactive and not proactive.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 25, 2018 -> 02:56 PM) This is an interesting discussion. When I first heard that as with UNC, the NCAA did not really have jurisdiction to have a ruling I was a bit angry about the sham of it all. The NCAA is such a sham institution, neither 100% university aligned or student aligned, but concerned about itself, then universities, then students. And the only true protection it will give students will be token and reactive. This really underscored how little protection student athletes have in situations like these. Basically they have title IX and absent that they have media. Being a professor in academia, I was happy with the ruling. An external group (not being an accreditation group) has no business telling an instructor or institution how to teach a course. They are there strictly to determine if an athlete received an advantage over the rest of the student body.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Jan 25, 2018 -> 02:24 PM) I fail to see why the NCAA should be concerned with MSU hiring a rapist/pedophile if it also can't go after UNC for cheating on academic standards it requires. With the UNC decision the NCAA basically said our rules are shames and however you want to pretend like you meet them we can't do anything about it. Nassar didn't change how MSU gymnastics performed. So why should the NCAA care what it did or didn't do after hearing of the accusations? Same with Penn State. That's a criminal issue, not an athletic one. (To be clear, I'm saying the NCAA SHOULD and MSU SHOULD get a death penalty if these accusations that they knew and did nothing are true, just like UNC should have been hit with a death penalty for clear and obvious cheating.) I agree with this. It should be a legal and university issue. It is tangentially athletics as the AD and administration is there to protect the athletes while they are there at the university, so I sort of see why the NCAA would be involved but it's a stretch. The UNC issue is a little trickier but the NCAA was still correct in their decision. The athletes did not get an advantage over any other student in the classes. The NCAA is not there to determine the academic rigor of courses. If the athletes got preferential treatment, that is a different story. The classes were easy with little to no work but that was for everyone in the class and the class was not just for the athletes.