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QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jan 18, 2018 -> 06:41 PM) The only “weakness” Leury exhibited up until last year was being overwhelmed by MLB pitching. There’s never been anything “weak” about his defensive game or his speed. And last year he did not even remotely look like he was being overwhelmed at the plate. Quite the contrary, actually. He was quite effective getting on base while displaying some surprising power until he got hurt. So not quite sure what you think will be “exposed” with continued playing time for him this coming season. Meanwhile, putting Tilson in some proper context: he was a #12 ranked prospect in the game’s 18th ranked farm system at the time of acquisition a year and a half ago, and he hasn’t played a full game since that acquisition. Hard to see the promise in his return given how much development time the poor guy has missed. I would call a .316 OBP effective. I think he will be exposed as many utility players are. He does well with limited time and proper playing situations and will probably revert closer to his career OBP of .270 than his performance last year. Don't get me wrong, i think he has a place it's just not as a dependable starter. This may be the case with Tilson. But for everything you've said his MiLB stats are better than Garcia's and the fact still remains that they have no idea what he will do in the MLB. I just think that ina developing year why see more of Garcia when they can see what they have in Tilson. Garcia will be around as a utility guy at worst, why not see how others do, they aren't trying to win this year. Play Tilson in CF and let Garcia develop in his role as the utility guy because that's where he will be in a couple of years when the Sox are competing.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jan 18, 2018 -> 06:06 PM) That's why I think he can. he played 6 years in the minors with decent stats (bad, really). Suddenly, in 2016 he sports a .793 OPS in Charlotte - he had never been close to that before at any level of the minor leagues. Then last year, he does a decent job in the majors, taking another step up. I think there's a decent chance he takes a third step up this year. It's possible. However, I think he is more likely a guy who will have his weaknesses exposed with extended playing time.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 18, 2018 -> 03:39 PM) Tilson's upside is only a decent player IMO, so why displace a guy that has already proven to be that? If Leury can show his offensive numbers pre-injury weren't a fluke, he can be a perfect transition piece to Robert or a valuable trade chip given his defensive versatility. I really think Tilson ends up being nothing more than a 4th OF and not necessarily a great one since he doesn't really have the arm for RF. This is your opinion as you noted. However, no one knows so they need to find out in a development year. Garcia's entire history for the past 13 years (minors included) is decent to below average wherever he has been. Garcia has a spot on a good team as a utility guy. The Sox know this. No one has any idea what Tilson will be. It's the same discussion with all of the young players this year. This is the year to find out if they have a place in the MLB and can contribute to a good team or are they just fillers.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 18, 2018 -> 03:10 PM) I have no issue expecting to play all of them (hence why I want to keep some of these spots open). But I should ask - why do we know that Leury can't go from "Decent" to "Good" with continued playing time? He could. However, a guy who spent 9 years in the minors with decent stats and who has been decent to below average probably won't advance to good. He can still play but be in the role of which he is most suited, utility guy who can play multiple positions. tilson is the unknown. Play him the majority of the time to see what he can be. he might suck or be an all-star.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 18, 2018 -> 02:59 PM) What flaw did Leury show last year other than possibly health? And if that’s his flaw, that same thing is Tilson’s kryptonite. I can’t see any rationale argument for Tilson over Leury. That he's decent. He's nothing special. They don't know about Tilson. As long as they are "wasting" another season on development, they may as well see what they have in Tilson. They know what they have in Garcia, a decent player. That is the rationale for Tilson. If they were trying to compete this year, Garcia would be the safer option. But it's not so they should see what Tilson has.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 18, 2018 -> 11:47 AM) I do not get the Tilson love on this board. He needs to prove himself again after missing like a season and a half before I even consider handing him a starting job. The OF to begin 2018 should be Delmonico in LF, Leury in CF, & Avi in RF. Tilson should have to compete against Engel & Cordell for a reserve role. If he wins that and does well as a reserve, we can djnd ways to get him more at-bats. I just don’t see much upside with Tilson. The Sox thought enough of him to bring him to the MLB after the trade. He has done all he can in the MiLB. He just needs to prove he's healthy. All of the other CF candidates have shown serious flaws in their game. Why not give him the shot? He is the unknown and they should use the season to see if he has anything.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jan 18, 2018 -> 12:34 PM) Someone somewhere linked a nice Yahoo article about this. 30% of the league is not even trying to win. The Cubs being so well known nationally have caused a significant issue in baseball: fans willing to endure bad teams and losing. Hopefully, the teams don't take advantage of it and lose without really trying to rebuild.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jan 18, 2018 -> 11:21 AM) I enjoyed hearing Cooper lay waste to this "good in the clubhouse" nonsense. What do you expect from a guy from NYC? He is always crabby and hates everyone.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jan 17, 2018 -> 05:06 PM) one of the absolute dumbest tropes in baseball scouting. There isn't a single scout in any other pro sport that thinks guys will slow down as they add muscle. That's just something out of like 1960 thinking. As if they are just training biceps! Come on. Sure there is when you talk about kids this age. In college many WR become TE and TE move to OL, LB to DL and so on. This doesn't happened once they've matured but from the age of 16-21 it's a constant change.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 16, 2018 -> 11:31 AM) Or Aroldis Chapman. The weird thing about the Sammy stuff is that Ricketts seems to be the only one who gives a s***. And he didn't even own the team then. The fans want him back, nobody feels betrayed by any steroid use. Say what you want, but those were fun times while it was going on and those guys were just clobbering baseballs. There's nothing for him to apologize for, just a weird grudge Ricketts is holding onto. I would disagree with this. There are people including, obviously, many who vote for the HOF. I also disagree they were fun times, but I also prefer a 2-1 pitchers duel over a 10-9 awful pitched game.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 15, 2018 -> 04:28 PM) AJ Boye held Antonio Brown for 40 yards. Brown still caught the ball. Oh yeah. They should have called something there.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Jan 15, 2018 -> 02:02 PM) There was a call in the Steelers game where Juju Smith Schuster pushed a Jacksonville DB into Bell out of bounds. The dude got hit with a personal foul penalty. That's a call that should be immediately changed by the people in New York. Not reviewed, just changed on the spot via their headsets. How about the one where after Ben threw the ball the D-lineman picked him up and threw him down? That was a game where they truly let them do whatever they wanted.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 15, 2018 -> 10:38 AM) Oh and someone should add this - Bleeping Bleep **** those refs were 100% intent on calling everything they could as a PI on the Saints. My word. As opposed to the Jax/Steelers game where they were allowing them to do anything they wanted on every play.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jan 14, 2018 -> 03:20 PM) I don't trust him against a Belichick led Pats team at all despite the Jags D. Brady might be walking to another Super Bowl. No doubt. They Patriots will unfortunately roll over them.

QUOTE (WBWSF @ Jan 12, 2018 -> 03:42 PM) Neither Shields nor Gonzalez. Instead sign Jake Arrieta and have him be the White Sox Opening Day pitcher. Ewww. He will not be worth the contract. 25 mil for a #3 starter?

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jan 12, 2018 -> 07:19 AM) I wish I knew more about Palmeiro and his steroid usage. When did he start using and for how long? The guy could hit. Take a look at his season stats. It could be that he learned to turn his doubles power into home runs in his mid to late 20's. However, I would lean toward the PEDs.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 11, 2018 -> 02:08 PM) Last year I saw a guy buy 4 PBRs and it was $35. He gave the vendor $40 and told him to keep it. I was in Jewel later that day, a 30 pack of PBRs $13.99. Supposedly Chicago sports teams get their beer cheaper than any other business. The amount of profit is absolutely crazy. There's his first problem. Ewww.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 11, 2018 -> 11:28 AM) Shields could be dropped to the pen also and no one would be mad. Heck, with a rotation that young I wouldn't mind going to a 6 man rotation for a few weeks either if the roster could take it. I wouldn't. They need the innings for health and learning.

QUOTE (knightni @ Jan 11, 2018 -> 12:28 PM) If he hadn't done steroids, Palmeiro would have been in there. If he hadn't done the PEDs he might not have had the stats. I remember him with the Cubs as an onbase/doubles guy. The Cubs didn't think he would ever develop power that's why he was available. They had an identical skill set player, Mark Grace, coming up who had even better on base skills.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 10, 2018 -> 05:59 PM) https://www.yahoo.com/news/republicans-seem...-002307665.html Woops, guess Republican's didnt think that states could figure out a way to get around the new rules on State and local tax deductions. Basic gist is that state will set up a "charity" where you can "donate" and it will count as a credit against the state's taxes. Have to imagine that if any state starts writing these bills they will pass pretty easy. Another way to help the wealthy avoid taxes.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 10, 2018 -> 02:02 PM) I'm with ya. Feel same about guards, safeties and now receivers. But if the guy looks elite then I'm good with it. And he looks that way to me. But anyway, whatever works. Yes. The Steelers did well with DeCastro in the firzt round.

QUOTE (CWSpalehoseCWS @ Jan 9, 2018 -> 10:40 PM) Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure if a relief pitcher enters a game with the tying run on base from a previous reliever and allows them to score, they get charged with a blown save, but the run is charged to the previous pitcher. Thats true. I took his comment as not allowing a runner to score, meaning any runner not just one he put on base.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 9, 2018 -> 04:04 PM) In 5 of 7 blown saves, Soria allowed 1 or 0 runs. Relievers will give up a run here or there. He only really had 2 very bad blown saves. That's why context is important. Roberto Osuna had 10 blown saves this year but I'd take him closing games for the White Sox in a second. How do you have a blown save while not allowing a run to score?

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 9, 2018 -> 04:41 PM) I'll just throw my ballot out here, as this seems the best place, for fun... Chipper Jones Vladimir Guerrero Jim Thome Edgar Martinez Mike Mussina Larry Walker Scott Rolen Curt Schilling I'm on the fence and could be talked into Omar Vizquel, maybe. Andruw Jones is tough for me because of the domestic abuse stuff, and I do believe the character clause is meaningful. Numbers-wise he belongs, but it's not like he just said some stupid stuff a la Schilling - Jones was violent. Hard to know how to balance those things quite right. Still can't believe Lou Whitaker (who lasted just one ballot!) and Dale Murphy fell short when they did. Just want to throw those out there to further stir the pot, lol. I agree on Murphy. There were a couple of years where I thought he was the best player in the game.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 9, 2018 -> 03:21 PM) I think he's a HOFer myself. I just think either you are or are not. Making someone wait a year or 2 or 10 because of the level of HOFer they alledgedly are seems a bit silly to me. I fully agree. I'm just pointing out the voter rationale. There is no limit to players who get in, unlike the NFL, so the worthy should just get in. I think the voters create their own limit.