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QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Feb 20, 2018 -> 12:36 PM) Given that he has a draft pick tied to him, he will cost a hefty sum and his WAR the last six seasons are 2.2, 0.7, 3.7, 0.5, 1.2 and 3.4 (2017 to 2012), I would much rather have Yolmer Sanchez for 2018 and see if he improves upon his 2.1 WAR. I just don't see Sanchez ever coming close to hitting like Moustakas. It will all depend on the deal they can get. They don't have a 3B that will be ready for at least 2 years, so I can see why they would look at him.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Feb 19, 2018 -> 05:02 PM) A lunatic steroid rager? Doesn't seem to fit Abreus personality. Canseco was actually very goodto kids off the field. One Spring Training game I saw him signing 2 autographs per kis. He would tell them to keep one and sell the other to the autograph collector standing a section over for 20.00.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Feb 19, 2018 -> 05:11 PM) I have spent entirely too much time trying to convince people here and elsewhere that what you wrote is correct. The club takes on 100% of the downside risk and gets none of the upside. If it's what it takes to get a guy to sign on the dotted line -- then sure, include it -- but it's a very big concession on the club's side and should be factored into the AAV and years on the deal. I agree. The club has all the downside. If the player plays well, the club loses him. If he plays poorly the club is stuck with him.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Feb 19, 2018 -> 09:38 AM) No it isn't. They should still be listening on guys like Abreu, Garcia, Jones, any minor league signing pitching well, and Castillo. Just like with previous trade, they need to weigh the benefits of what they can get for him vs. how much he can help the team in the future. with his injury history, he is probably worth more to the Sox than what they can get for him. However, if he has a great first half, who knows.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Feb 18, 2018 -> 11:25 AM) I could see Abreu at 4/$84M or something. you think he'll get 3 more mil AAV than Hosmer? 21 vs. 18

QUOTE (raBBit @ Feb 16, 2018 -> 08:16 AM) The rational for Americans having easy to access to semi-automatic rifles died a long time ago. Something has to come soon. This is the key. I would go a step further, NO weapons should have easy access. The problem they need to solve is how to effectively restrict it.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 16, 2018 -> 07:58 AM) Thats a fire rate not a capacity comment. AR-15's have 100 round drums and those can be emptied within seconds. Both modifications are entirely legal. A simple paintball style firing technique can empty a 30 round clip in less than a min. Spray and pray. I still disagree that anyone could fire 100 rounds in seconds. It's just not humanly possible. Mechanically, maybe. I would have no issues with banning all of those modifications. As a matter of fact how about making all clips over say 10 rounds illegal. i think they would have a better chance with that than banning the weapons entirely.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 16, 2018 -> 05:54 AM) The semi auto version can effectively fire 45 rounds a minute bone stock. With a legal modification or two you can get that up to 900 rounds per minute with zero issue. I'm not which legal modification you are referring to but there is no weapon that can effectively fire 900 unless you have an extremely long belt fed ammo system. Far too many clip changes for that to happen. The weapon probably can fire that many rounds but it wouldn't be effective. Your finger would need to be really fast.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Feb 15, 2018 -> 09:43 PM) The toxic fetishizing culture surrounding guns and in particular the military look alike ones are part of the problem imo. Agreed on this part.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 15, 2018 -> 09:37 PM) Fake, terrible hunters use a rifle that’s main function is to spray and pray. It’s a terrible gun for home defense and for hunting. It’s only function is to engage an enemy with a high rate of fire. It’s also a profit center because of how modular and “cool looking” it is. It serve no useful purpose since there are guns that are more effective at pretty much any useful activity. And I’d say that about most if not all semi automatic rifles. This is very true for the full auto version. This is not true for semi autos. Each indivdiual trigger pull is not a "spray and pray" type of sequence. I agree people only like it because it looks cool. The fact is its not a useful weapon for hunting due to the small caliber. But it works well for target practice as its light and easy to use. As I said I wouldnt care if they did ban this particular rifle, however my fear is that people would instead obtain a higher caliber rifle and do more damage.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 15, 2018 -> 09:27 PM) Actual hunters aren’t using these to hunt for sport or to defend themselves. Just stop it. There is no need for it. Using semi-automatic rifles? They do all the time. They also use AR 15 for sport all the time. they aren't much use in hunting though. They are fairly useless as I said because of they're lack of power.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Feb 15, 2018 -> 08:36 PM) Probably the worst trade I can remember is the Red Sox trading prospect Bagwell for Larry Anderson. Still, the Bagwell trade was made in August, Anderson was pitching well, he pitched better for Boston and they won the division. Bad trade, but some justification. It was June, the White Sox were tanking, and Shields was having a terrible year. There was no justification for that trade. The FO gets a do-over, one that I don't believe they earned. The dispersal phase has been fine. HOpefully they build a good team this time. How about Doyle Alexander for John Smoltz?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Feb 15, 2018 -> 09:11 PM) Fully automatic weapons are heavily restricted and thus very expensive but they aren't illegal. I thought they were illegal. I have no issue with full auto being illegal and banned. Those aren't good for anything but mass killings. However, that wouldn't stop this as it was the semi-auto version.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Feb 15, 2018 -> 07:31 PM) It’s not about the size of the round, it’s the fact that someone with an AR-15 can fire off an insane number of rounds in a short period of time (with a relatively high level of precision to boot), especially when combined with high capacity magazines. There are plenty of other rifles that could be used for sport shooting that aren’t nearly as deadly as an AR-15. Again, I respect your right for gun ownership, but I can’t justify assault weapons being legal when they’re literally used in mass shootings on what seems like a weekly basis. Time for them to go and see if things get better. You can fire off any oremore rounds from a semi automatic AR 15 than anyother semi automatic rifle. Your finger can only pull the trigger so fast. The full automatic versions of all rifles are already illegal, assault style or not.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Feb 15, 2018 -> 06:57 PM) Why does any civilian need an AR-15? I’m pro gun ownership, but there is absolutely no reason for assault weapons to be legal. They should not be used for hunting or sport and are beyond unnecessary for self defense unless you’re worried about someone else who has one. I’m sure they’re fun to f*** around with, but there is no practical purpose for them and therefore no justification to allow everyday people to have them, especially not when there are weekly shooting sprees involving them. Semi-automatic AR-15 are excellent sport rifles. Mostly because the round isn't very big. It's not much bigger than a .22. The only adavantage is the light weight. So, I guess you could ban them. But my fear is that someone would just to a bigger round which would cause more damage.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 15, 2018 -> 06:52 PM) Mass shootings happen more in America than in all other countries combined. The US has 4.4 % of the world population and 42% of the worlds guns. You can say that isn't a problem, but I thin the evidence is showing it is. I never said it wasn't a problem. I said that semi-automatics aren't the problem. There is certainly a problem. However, is it worse than the bombings in England and France? Maybe there are fewer shootings but the nutcases use explosives instead. Not to mention that just by the size of the country we will have more incidences. I think stricter laws on who can obtain them may help. I'm not sure but they couldn't hurt.

QUOTE (Tony @ Feb 15, 2018 -> 06:26 PM) This is also correct. Kids are getting hunted in our schools on an almost daily basis, and the AR-15 is one of the most commonly used weapons in these massacres. I'm sorry that may screw up someones "past time" or they may need to use a handgun against a coyote, but that's a problem I would hope our lawmakers are willing to deal with, rather than the human body count continuing to pile up from assault weapons. Hand guns kill many more people than the AR-15. As I said in another post they are lucky he chose that weapon there are many more powerful semi-automatic weapons than that. The lawmakers will not do anything against semi-automatic weapons. They should focus more on keeping any legal weapons out of hands of people who shouldn't have them.

QUOTE (Tony @ Feb 15, 2018 -> 06:14 PM) It's also shocking considering how the Tatis trade has been beaten to death on this board. We get it, it was a TERRIBLE trade then, TERRIBLE trade now, and will be a TERRIBLE trade in 5 seasons. I assume Rick Hahn would tell you the same thing, and he absolutely deserves to wear it for that awful move. What else do you want us to do? It's time to move on. Exactly. Every GM has trades that they wished they could take back. They usually occur when trading a young prospect for an aging veteran when making a desperate move to compete.

QUOTE (Tony @ Feb 15, 2018 -> 06:12 PM) Many, myself included, don't 100% agree with that. That's fine but you aren't being realistic. You also don't think that hunting or target practice are useful pat times or that people use these weapons for protection of their livelihoods against coyotes and other predators.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 15, 2018 -> 06:13 PM) I am pretty sure anyone who does something like this has some mental issues. I have no idea why AR15s are necessary weapons for civilians. There is nothing wrong with the semi-automatic version of the AR-15 which is the legal version he had. Just be glad that he liked this weapon (because of it's reputation) and not many other more powerful semi-automatic rifles.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 15, 2018 -> 12:00 PM) It doesn't f***ing matter. Cadet Bone Spurs talks about this shooting, and fails to mention guns. I could only imagine what the loved ones of these poor kids think of this guy now Can't piss off the NRA. You don't even need a license in FL to buy a gun. You don't have to register it. You can have as many as you like. Awesome. It sounds like it's a state problem not a national one. There is absolutely nothing wrong with owning a semi-automatic rifle. the weapon isn't the problem, it's how a kid with this many issues was allowed to purchase it. Being a former student and wearing a school ROTC uniform, there was no way any reasonable security would have kept him out of the school.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Feb 15, 2018 -> 05:11 PM) Thing is, some of us don't forgive the Sox front office for mistakes as easily as others. My anger stems from the fact fans pay so much money to go to a game they have the right to b****. Many of you don't care about that. Why should they be forgiven if Tatis turns into a phenom? You can still be a fan and rip the front office at times. You can rip them all you want. Many did when it happened. But to hang on to it for years is not a healthy thing. Are you still angry over the Sammy Sosa trade? how about the Gio Gonzalez trades?

QUOTE (wrathofhahn @ Feb 15, 2018 -> 03:52 PM) Also Tatis Jr jumps from 52nd to 8th Are you one of those guys who in school always worried about and wanted to know how everyone else did on tests?

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Feb 15, 2018 -> 01:25 PM) Hasn't it been determined that Kieth Law is really good at evaluating hitting talent, but has no idea how to asses pitchers? Or is the the opposite? One of those is true. lol I believe Law has stated he really doesn't do much of the evaluations himself. Rather he just talks to scouts, GMs etc. and forms his evaluation from there.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Feb 15, 2018 -> 01:28 PM) Heyward has two potential opt-outs. The first is after the 18 season and if he reaches 550 PAs in 2019, he can opt-out. Assuming no injury, he should reach the 550 but at that point it depends how well he did with the bat. https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/heywaja01.shtml The opt outs are still for the player only. As long as he continues the poor play he will not opt out and the Cubs are stuck with a bad contract.