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QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 23, 2016 -> 01:13 PM) Interesting. I would put odds against this trade not because it isn't real but because I'm very skeptical of 3 way trades that get leaked prior, they always seem to fall apart. It does seem that way. I wonder if one team leaks it because they think they are getting screwed compared to the other two?

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 23, 2016 -> 01:08 PM) Keep in mind that I've literally been suspended from this site from saying "poop" too much. I'm no saint but rather am also firmly fixed in the idiot crowd. Of all things to take seriously in life - Soxtalk is not one of them, in my book at least. Professional sports in general unless you are employed by them.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Dec 23, 2016 -> 01:05 PM) Isn't that one the record for longest hit ball in that ballpark? In a game but not including batting practice.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 23, 2016 -> 11:14 AM) He called me a know it all dickhead. Apparently he doesn't read his twitter. His entire post was him telling everyone how great he is. The video is there for everyone to see. If he wants to punch me in the face, we can have it arranged. I think when the moment arrives, however, the gum will fall out of his mouth. I have heard of can't walk and chew gum at the same time. That was the first time I ever saw someone who just can't chew gum at the same time. And he talked to other people he trusts who confirmed it.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 23, 2016 -> 10:57 AM) That is pretty ridiculously optimistic when it comes to pitchers and bust rates. not really. They have one in rodon. So they need 4 of the following Giolito Kopech Lopez Glasnow Dunning Newman Hansen Adams Only half need to perform and they should have a lower bust rate than the average prospects as many of them have had really good success in the upper minors. There is always a risk with pitchers however with the numbers, I think its a pretty good chance.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 23, 2016 -> 10:50 AM) He definitely has a point. Offense has been the problem. If it is going to be so easy to acquire, why wasn't it acquired? I understand you need some pitchers, but the game is getting away from starting pitching, except for a #1 or #2 guy being important. It's about the bullpen, and pitching prospects bust at a higher rate than hitters. Moncada was a great start, but there needs to be a lot more. That's why they need a crap load of them to make sure they get a really good staff.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 23, 2016 -> 10:40 AM) So in five years we can be back to where we are now, with outstanding pitchers, but no offense or defense. What a waste. I wouldn't call what the Sox had was outstanding pitching. They had 2 outstanding starters, one really good one, one mediocre and one awful. If out of this haul they can get 5 outstanding to really good ones, they won't need to score much. Plus, most of the position players they did get are rated pretty high on defense. Pitching and defense.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 23, 2016 -> 10:29 AM) Yeah, I'd rather not get back Keller and get back more bats. This team needs position prospects, otherwise we are just pushing the rebuild even out further down the road, assuming the pitching actually works out. It looks like they are stock piling them so they should get an outstanding rotation of of the ones that do.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 23, 2016 -> 05:42 AM) Yeah, I'm not quite following how all the other jobs are going to increase 17-25%...what is that based upon? In the example you gave, most of the cost increases are coming from non-minimum wage positions. Fwiw, I think I should have been a baker if 8 guys are making $60,000 per year in that position when I've never made over $44,000 with two Master's degrees. How do Dunkin' Donuts franchises do so well with this type of math? It doesn't add up. As far as Wal-Mart destroying small towns...customers vote with their wallets, right? Isn't the free market supposed to reward the most efficient allocation of capital/resources/factors of production? Unless you have an amazing product, there's almost no way for specialty shops to compete with Wal Mart unless they provide a superior value...or significantly better customer service/expertise. By the argument raised here, those small businesses should be giving up if they can't compete and developing a more value-added product with a more profitable business model. It's why business moves so fast here in China...you come up with an idea or innovation, you'll have 5-10 rival companies copying and then doing it better than you in the span of weeks or even days. Survival of the fittest...corporate Darwinism. Of course, the obvious issue is whether Trump wants to revisit the economies of scale argument and force Wal Marts that closed (after becoming virtual monopolies or oligopolies) to stay open indefinitely and continue to serve those smaller communities that are hollowing out, becoming less and less profitable. You should know the general rule of college education. The more degrees you have the less you make. I have 2 masters and a doc. I make half of what my wife does with only an undergrad degree. We stayed in school and never got the revenue generating jobs so we don't make as much.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 10:54 PM) With the Sox rebuilding is there a chance they give Burdi a chance as a starter in the minors? They may do it but just to get more reps and work on pitches.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 10:16 PM) Definitely the Astros deal. I think Martes could be the best of any of the pitchers that have been discussed for Q to this point, I think Reed will end up being a better 1B than Bell, Tucker has huge upside, Stubbs is probably a backup in the MLB. I am not sold that Glasnow will be able to hone his command, and he is kind of the same guy that you have in Giolito. Bell is probably a DH as he has not really been able to pick up the nuances of defense to this point so that really limits his value, and Newman is really solid, but not sure what you do with him. The package I am hoping for from the Pirates is Meadows, Keller, Hayes, and Hearn. Keller is from here, and I think he flew under the radar with Iowa's weird baseball season and being out part of his draft year, but he has the stuff to be a legit middle of the rotation guy and maybe a #2. Hearn is the wildcard hard thrower, but a lefty that can run it up to 99, maybe a Matt Thornton starter kit. I would be fine without him and just getting the other three, but I feel he is the kind of throw in piece that could put the Pirates over the top. I think most are going under the assumption that the Pirates will not deal Meadows. Someone, somewhere had a reference for one of the writers stating this.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 07:58 AM) And relying on random wealthy people having a particular tragedy befall them is an extremely poor and unreliable way of funding medical research. The NIH on the other hand has a pretty solid record. Unfortunately, the NIH can be extremely biased on who gets the grants. It's the good ol' boys network. Get in and get one and you go to the top of the list to get another one. It's really tough to get in that group.

QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 09:54 PM) This is so much worse than the July 31 trade deadline. It's torture. Yeah, there's no reading all the posters complaining about how bad the owner, FO and team is in other threads to waste time while waiting for more rumors.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 09:06 PM) He still has $20m less in guaranteed money than he would've staying in Toronto. but he's guaranteed to make the playoffs and have a shot at the WS. He's already made 40mil and is guaranteed 65 more.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 09:15 PM) With Glasnow's name continuing to come up, it tells me the Sox see something in him they can't pass up. The Sox have a good eye for young pitching talent. I just hope the other names being discussed are bats. If the trade happens the Sox would have 4 #1 caliber pitchers in the rotation Rodon, Giolito, Kopech, Glasnow and a couple more not far behind Lopez/dunning/hansen. They would not need to score much. In a couple of years they would have one of the better staffs if even half of them work out.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 08:36 PM) He turned down 4/$80m from the Jays. Him and Bautista both screwed themselves. That's pretty much what he got from cleveland with a guaranteed playoff run.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 07:49 PM) EE to the Indians. Now the Astros will be desperate. This ought to shake things up a bit.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 07:49 PM) Fellas, this is the best place to find some of the web's best baseball conspiracies. Like trying to have a discussion with my doctoral students I wish I was kidding.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 07:26 PM) Common belief was they drafted safe college pitchers so they could use them as trade bait Yeah, poor draft philosophy.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 07:04 PM) The Broadway, McCulloch, Ring and Poreda picks will go down as the most questionable...it felt like at that time, because we needed "immediate impact/developed" collegiate players, we almost always went in this direction. And part of it was about saving money, or at least having almost all of the revenues redirected to the major league roster. I guess the Anderson one is arguable. Compared to Kinsler, he was considered the "toolbox" guy, and was drafted accordingly. Torii Hunter Lite, etc. Brian was "polished" from a standpoint that he was able to put up good numbers in the PAC-10, but not at all in the sense that he relied on physical tools and didn't have a refined/professional approach, never mastered the psychological side of dealing with failure, etc. He was just more concerned about chasing the "honies" than improving his game.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 07:40 PM) Well, that's one way of speculating about it. My speculation is that Q's price started just a tick below Sale's and now with all the interest is at an equal place. What the f*** do I know thou? As much as any of us. We're all just bored and making s@#t up with maybe a little educated guessing.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 07:30 PM) The problem for the Astros is even if they decide to now acquiesce to the Tucker-Martes-Musgrove demand the Pirates or Yankees are both in positions to easily beat that deal. The cost for Houston now likely either (a) includes Bregman or (b) 5 prospects of the Sox choice. The market for Quintana after appearing to stagnate for almost two weeks has now exploded. Pretty much every team that is even thinking of contending in 2017 is picking up the phone. The Pirates and Yankees flat have better pieces than Houston to offer, and if one them becomes a truly motivated buyer there is almost nothing Houston can do (short of Bregman) to get Quintana. I don't think Musgrove will be involved. All of the teams are trying to make a playoff push. They aren't going to trade players they are counting on for the MLB roster. That's why the Sox settled for Moncada and why turner was not available. It's also why Meadows won't happen if the pirates are still trying to trade McCutchen.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 05:45 PM) Seems to me that there is more reported interest in Q than Sale. Reported is the key word there. How cool would it be to get near equal value or more. I think there are more teams because the price isn't as high.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 04:58 PM) I propose that they give me at least 250 at bats in 2017 poppycock!

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 04:50 PM) Well we could start Tilson & Liriano in CF & RF and then DH Avi. Just depends which guys you want to give at-bats to. That's fine. Let them all rotate positions to get AB's and see if they have in any of them.