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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 24, 2016 -> 07:48 AM) Trading the number two lefty of his generation out of spite is how the White Sox end up in fourth or fifth place for another generation. Making Jose Quintana the centerpiece of the organization will ensure that we're even more irrelevant with the next generation of young fans in Chicago. Let's not forget it was Hahn who was dissed here on this occasion...can he keep his wits about him and make the perfect trade under these conditions? Does this happen with ANY manager...or is it simply a sign of a systemic lack of control that dates back to the last season of Ozzie at the helm (2011)? Did Don Cooper also help contribute to the creation of an environment where Sale feels he's so special he can get away with or basically be forgiven for anything because of his unique talent level? Why do you need to blame other people for his behavior? It his on him for his issues and actions. No one else caused this action. He's supposed to be an adult.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 24, 2016 -> 08:27 AM) From the Paasan article: “Right now, in the major leagues, we’ve got dopers, domestic abusers, homophobes, misogynists and even a guy who spent time in prison for a DUI hit-and-run,” one executive said. “But a uniform vandal? Dammit, we have to draw the line somewhere.” I what he did was beyond stupid, but the he must go crowd doesn't put things in perspective. Probably just love the prospects of prospects, yet when they say he has to go, if they traded him and the prospects did not pan out would not remember according to them the Sox front office had no choice. Sale cutting up uniforms...dumb Sox not letting Sale pitch because of it...dumber Sox trading Sale for whatever they can get because he cut up uniforms....dumbest Actually I think this is more of a sign they want to keep him. If its true that this is the 4th incident of his anger issues, they needed to punish him somehow. If they are going to this extreme, I think they are trying to keep him but also modify the behavior. If they really wanted to trade him they would just let it go and who cares about the behavior.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 11:42 PM) Q is still scheduled to start tomorrow. I think he means the continued game not the scheduled game.

QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 11:18 PM) Reading on another site.. says the argument started with the jerseys then Sale got into it with Hahn over the trade rumors and wanted to know what was going on... went ballistic from there. TIFWIW of course.. don't know the person who said it but it sounds likely to me. Hopefully, sale didnt pull out the knife while the argument was going on. Can you imagine being Hahn when sale is mad and pulls out the knife to attack the uniforms.?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 11:01 PM) Great media subplot for the City Series next week. You wonder if he will either apologize publicly or dig in further and refuse to discuss it at all. A testament to his character will be to see if he understands that he did not handle it well.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 10:57 PM) He's perfectly able to let management know that the jerseys are terrible. He can b**** and moan a lot if he wants. But he has to go out and pitch regardless. He also has to not stab the jerseys with a knife as a form of sabotage. I almost wonder if he thought he could get away with it without anyone knowing who did it. Either way he thought he could ruin the jerseys to get his way and the Sox had no choice but to nip it in the bud. Exactly,. If it was that bad he could have pitched tomorrow. I can understand the concept but his actions to rectify the problem are inexcusable.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 10:56 PM) Sale barks at Robin whenever he pulls him from the game. He's a lot of things, but mentally weak isn't one of them. If you think that the only recourse to wearing an uncomfortable uniform is attacking your teams uniforms with knife, yes you are. Besides what is there about yelling at your boss, makes you not mentally weak? It may means you're competitive or have anger issues but it doesn't make you mentally tough.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 10:52 PM) Too bad Jones couldn't field a f***ing ground ball Also Sale and the White Sox screwed over the fans that paid to see one of baseballs best pitch Reinsdorf and both organizations he owns are a f***ing joke I really can't believe so many people condone this type of behavior and blame management for punishing him.

QUOTE (Condor13 @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 10:34 PM) Sale said they were VERY uncomfortable, let's see someone go out there and pitch in a suit and tie. If they strike out 9 batters or so against Detroit then I'm wrong, if they get blasted (which they will) then there might be something to it. Didnt the sox already alter the uniforms bc they were the ones that had shorts instead of pants. If he is truly that mentally weak, he has bigger issues. Of course, with his reported behavior in multiple cases, I guess it's proven he does.

QUOTE (harkness @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 10:40 PM) With the multiple rain delays... I doubt Sale would have pitched more than 2 innings anyway. True. But maybe he will still think twice before doing something again because of the way it started. It would be funny if he pitched in the continued game tomorrow and got the win. Suspended for the game for idiotic behavior but still gets the win.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 10:25 PM) Terrible having to use the pen like this, the Sale situation, rain delays. That's what made it terrible. Hopefully, making his team pay for his immaturity will make an impression on him.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 10:23 PM) If they have really covered for him multiple other times, my guess is that they couldn't cover this one up for some reason. They tried to with the flu story. My guess is that cutting up all the jerseys was too obvious and a crazy story so it got out.

QUOTE (Condor13 @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 10:12 PM) You don't have to wear them, just give them away. Winning comes first, otherwise this s*** will continue for years and it obviously will until KW is thrown out on his ass You seriously believe that wearing a different uniform makes a difference in winning? This is the difference in winning? Wearing a different jersey? I'm sure KW didn't care about the promotional day other than "ok Brooks."

QUOTE (Condor13 @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 09:09 PM) I can explain. If new info comes out or something I'm using for my assumption is wrong then obviously my stance will change but for now this where I stand. So what I've been seeing is that each staring pitcher for the sox gets to choose what jerseys are worn the day they pitch. Sale told them the '76 jerseys are very uncomfortable and to not wear them when he pitches (exactly the way it's been done to my knowledge). The Sox then basically said to sale (not in these words but the jist of it is there) we don't care that's it's your choice, we don't care that your uncomfortable, we don't care that you may pitch bad, we really don't care if we lose. Sale then decided to cut the jerseys up bc he was sick and tired of the sox front office constantly wanting to put PR and jersey sales above winning baseball games. Now I'm not saying cutting up the jerseys was the best decision or even an ok decision but I'd give Sale a standing ovation for trying to change the f***ing awful culture that exists within the Sox organization that mostly starts in the front office. The goal is to win baseball games and make the playoffs. If nobody does anything this laid back attitude in the front office is never gonna change. Thank you Sale for trying to change the losing culture that exists in the Sox organization, maybe do it in a little different way next time though. Not on days where promotional jerseys are worn and scheduled before the season started.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 09:08 PM) Which is also partially the FO's fault. Had they set the ground rules years ago that this crap isn't allowed, then these conflicts would be avoided. Sale acted in a very immature manner, no doubt, but come on. This should've never happened if there were established rules in place. Wow, I didn't think was necessary to have specific rules against cutting up your tea mates uniforms.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 08:23 PM) Not gonna lie. As a fan, I would love to see Sale terrorize the National League. It would be fun to watch.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 08:20 PM) Sure is a strange way to demonstrate how much you love your organization, and exactly what is it about this team that would make him want to stay on it? I'd guess that he would prefer to be on a contending team and one that could score some runs for him. Don't interpret my comment as siding with him. It's just an observation. Sorry, i thought the sarcasm was obvious.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 08:16 PM) This is actually your worst post. No kidding. Some people will take any chance to show their bias and just cannot look at things objectively.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 08:13 PM) This is just yet another White Sox distraction. Always drama with this organization. And of course Sale pulls this nonsense when he's on the trade market and a potential trade return could transform this ballclub. Not that it's going to hurt, but it's incredibly annoying Maybe he really doesnt want to be traded and is using this to lower his value.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 07:55 PM) Now we're in a quandary. Do we keep this guy? This isn't somebody I'd want on my team. But if you trade him, do you get the same package you would if this didn't happen? Maybe they could both act like adults and can disagree but still work together. However, that might be a little too much to ask.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 07:32 PM) Rosenthal said Sale believed Sox were more concerned with jersey sales and PR than his comfort. What an idiot, no one buys Sox jerseys Maybe it was a promotion scheduled before the season even started. He could have asked the team to push his start back a day. Although that would have made him look bad.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 07:24 PM) Nice burn Passan.. That is a good one.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 07:23 PM) Feels weird. Yeah.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 07:21 PM) Seriously... We agree on this one.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 07:15 PM) Flu like symptoms are getting crazy these days Maybe the fever from the flu caused the delrium that caused him to attack the bad uniforms.