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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 01:22 PM) I agree, and was posting the article in support of your statements. There are times when a GM knows something and takes what he can get. Sometimes GMs identify prospects they really like and they leave you scratching your head. I can think of two examples of that with the White Sox and one of them worked out (Garcia to Philly for Gio/Floyd) and one of them did not (Santos to Toronto for Molina). Sorry, I see what you mean now. I was looking at the article a little differently. Similar to what Dick Allen posted.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 12:25 PM) That's fine. Doesn't mean that they will be good. He'll be 31 at the start of next season. Sorry, I meant that as it immediately makes them a team to watch as a team on the rise because he improves their team immensely.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 12:06 PM) Related: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-percept...er-trade-value/ As I said it's from Beane's own evaluation of the proposed deal. Just because other so-called experts don't agree, doesn't mean that Beane didn't think it was the best at the time. Just because people not involved with the deal think he should have gotten more doesn't mean someone offered more.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 12:03 PM) Lola - The Kinks I'm not sure it qualifies because I don't think there is a female involved.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 10:03 AM) It's a bad deal because they traded 4 years of a 5 WAR 3B for 2 back end starters, a 19 year old bat first 2B, and Brett Lawrie. They could have gotten way more than that. Donaldson is a stud. If Beane really wanted Tim Anderson like everyone thinks, Donaldson is a guy that you'd consider trading him for. Do you honestly think Beane looked at all of the deals he could have made and said, "Out of all the deals out there, this is the third best so I will take it?" He obviously, thought by his evaluations this was the best deal. Maybe he knows something about Donaldson and his meteoric rise that other teams don't.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 10:00 AM) Yeah I get what you mean. The White Sox won't be getting him if that's the case though. Billy Beane isn't going to get Tim Anderson from the Sox. Are the Red Sox going to give up a top 35 prospect for Samardzija? My guess is no. Beane will either take less than that, trade him at the deadline, or ride out the year and take the comp pick. I think Samardzija goes at the Winter Meetings. All it takes is for two teams to start bidding for crazy things to happen. With the signings of Panda and Ramierez they may be looking to start the winning now. He would help.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 10:49 AM) They can go ahead and pay him 23 mil a year for 6 years. Be my guest. He immediately makes them a team to watch.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 09:59 AM) Darling Nikki Forgot about that one. It ranks up there. Prince is a freak but extremely talented and one of the best performers to see in concert.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 07:40 AM) I don't like knee injuries and I don't like giving up high level talent for guys coming off knee injuries. If I'm taking on a guy after a knee injury, it ought to be at a discount reflecting the injury. Why would the Reds give him up for a discount? It was only a meniscus injury. There doesn't seem to be any structural damage from what I can find. It wouldn't concern me with trading for him.

QUOTE (dasox24 @ Dec 2, 2014 -> 10:22 PM) It's really a shame that both of these guys have had awful luck with injuries. They both were so good when healthy. Medlen, in particular, was nasty during that 2nd half of 2012 when they moved him into the starting rotation. Sometimes the reason they are so good is because they are throwing in a way they shouldn't which is why the ball moves differently and the reason they become injured. They would not be good withoutthe bad mechanics.

QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 2, 2014 -> 10:13 PM) I was going to change that since I read more about it. Sounds a lot like what killed Mike Coolbaugh. Is that what happened to him? All of the deaths that I know of were caused by getting hit in the head. This one was just so weird because of it hitting such a small space where the artery is located. I've never heard of it or seen anything written about it, other than things like whiplash injuries where the headrest is already up against it.

QUOTE (flavum @ Nov 27, 2014 -> 12:14 AM) Cricket player Phillip Hughes, age 25. Hit in the head playing a few days ago in Australia. Terrible. His death was really scary as he actually didn't get hit in the head. He got hit at the top of his neck near the base of the skull. however it hit at just the right angle and pressure that it split his vertabral artery which stopped the blood supply to his brain. We are taught a way to test the intergrity of the vertebral artery before doing cervical manipulations and I cannot see how he got hit just rightr to have this happen. This is truly the definition of an awful situation with just horrible luck. RIP.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 2, 2014 -> 09:39 PM) I'm not even sure giving up what could be an elite closer in Montas for Samardzija is a good move, because you tack on $10 million in spending and you're left with only $10-15 million more for LF and the bullpen. (Of course, we'd have to spend that money anyway on a FA pitcher if we're really serious about competing.) It definitely makes the White Sox competitive in 2015. The problem is that they would still be at least two players away and mortgaging the future for a player they might at best have a 1 in 4 or 1 in 3 chance of re-signing. Seemingly, they have to target a pitcher they're going to control for a minimum of two and maximum of 4 years, as I don't think we'll see them go five years with a pitcher any time soon. (This is where a James Shields COULD make sense, but at $70-75 million for 3 years sense? Probably not.) The draft pick compensation isn't SO helpful either, because his impact might not even be felt until after that competitive window has already closed. I wouldn't trade Anderson, Rodon or Montas. On the fence with Hawkins (for the same reason they're holding out hope with Viciedo, POWER). I'd be okay with anyone else going, including Semien, M.Johnson or Danish. Wait a minute. I thought relief pitchers were not worth worrying about because they throw too few innings to truly make an impact. Isn't that that sabermetric view?

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 2, 2014 -> 11:48 AM) Exactly This idea that the Sox should overpay because they may extend him is inane. That rarely happens. Money talks. Sox are in no position to do rents anyway, including renting the most elite 2/3 starter imaginable, the Shark. I believe most people agree that the sox should not do the deal unless there is an extension in place. Unless the deal is for lesser prospects.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Dec 2, 2014 -> 08:48 PM) Amanda by Boston. Absolutely love that song. I agree. so instead I'll say Sweet Melissa by the Allman brothers or Peggy Sue/Cindy Lu (depnding on your favorite version) by Buddy Holly

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 2, 2014 -> 07:04 PM) I believe they both have had 2 TJ opps. I would not offer much th en. The esearch is not favorable with pitchers that have had more than one surgery.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 2, 2014 -> 03:25 PM) Well, Jeff Keppinger is one, but the White Sox already did that one. They could also buy 2 million $2 cheeseburgers and fill the dugout, but they'd go bad before they could get eaten. Bring back Carlos Castillo. He'll take care of them. He is working with Eddy Alvarez anyway.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 1, 2014 -> 06:21 PM) That is operating under the assumption that the White Sox don't extend him and make him part of the 3 headed long term plan for the rotations. No. Long term plans can only include young minor league players. Locking up a rotation like that would not benefit the Sox for the next 4 years.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 1, 2014 -> 12:29 PM) I don't disagree with any of this, and frankly none of these would deter me from signing those players given the right circumstances, just that those "MLB pitches thrown" are misleading as hell. Just because a guy hasn't thrown a lot of pitches in the MLB because he came up late or started in the bullpen doesn't simply negate the effect the previous pitching experience has had on his arm. Frankly, some of those pitches were "saved" when he was throwing out of the bullpen, but those pitches don't include side work or warm up sessions nor does it include the ramped up intensity of those innings. Samardzija seems like he has smooth mechanics and he was arguably better in the 2nd half than the 1st half last year (which has been a concern), but there are a lot of other things worth considering here. Personally, I wouldn't give up Anderson nor Semien for him, but I absolutely love both players. I'd give up any other minor leaguer in the system eligible to be traded for him at this point. I just don't think trading Anderson or Semien bodes well for the long-term health of the organization because it seems to be that those two both provide very good value long-term in multiple different ways. The side work and warm ups really fall into the less stressful category. I don't really think they make much of a difference. a great deal of warming up and sitting down only to warm up again would do it though.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 1, 2014 -> 11:52 AM) I just want to note how much I hate these types of statistics. This acts as if Samardzija's arm is fresh and young despite his age. Between college, the minors, and the pros, Jeff Samardzija has thrown over 1,500 innings. Are they going to be saying the same thing about Jake Arrieta in 2 years too when he's "only" thrown 12,000 pitches? Because between college, the minors, and the pros, he's already thrown 1,269 innings. I mean, if you looked at this and solely this, you'd assume that Lester has throws more than twice the number of innings. In reality, he's thrown fewer than 600 more. Max Scherzer has only thrown 100 more innings. Just because a guy has only thrown in the MLB for so long doesn't mean there isn't extra mileage on his arm. This is true to an extent. However, there is something to be said for the number of stressful pitches thrown. As someone cliombs the ladder from high school to college to the pro levels the competition increases and so does the quality of pitches they must throw. This will wear on the arm just like warmup throws are different than game situation. The same applies for the regular season vs. the post-season.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Nov 30, 2014 -> 09:17 AM) As I have stated; if that's the price, then I am not in favor of the trade. However, we don't know the price. I'm making a conceptual argument, which is that getting a given player, signed to a long term contract, is not necessarily desirable. It depends on the years, and the annual salary, as well as the players worth. In this case, if Samardjiza had already been extended, and were to get 5 years and $100 million, would that make him more, or less, desirable? The answer for me is; less desirable, because I would not want a 30 year old, #2, or #3 starter, signed to a 5 year contract, at $20 million per year. I would give up less to get that contract, than I would to acquire him for one year, at the very reasonable rate of $8 or $9 Million, because I view the former as undesirable, and the latter as desirable. The risk of injury has to be a significant consideration. If it were my team and my money, I would be just as apprehensive about such contracts as Mr. Reinsdorf. I hate to say it but the 20 mil is about the correct going rate for a pitcher of his caiber. The sox to do a deal lije this or trade much more to get a younger as talented pitcher. Right now they hust don't have the rotation.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 30, 2014 -> 09:11 AM) Yeah, today is still part of the weekend, so Benson can still be right regarding his tweet from couple days ago. I'd still love Shark and Upton on this team. I'd give up Anderson for that. If anything it sounds like oakland wants Upton and gattis. So if Samardzija goes to the sox and those two to oakland, what would the sox need to send to atlanta?

QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 30, 2014 -> 06:55 AM) yes i agree with you except not at the expense of emptying the farm system. there are other options such as free agency. The proposed deals aren't emptying out the farm system. It's trading one of the best milb players, which is usually what it tales.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 11:39 PM) Yea I'm okay with trading Anderson too...for lots of young talent. Not 1 year rents and not for mediocre and declining veterans. I'll pass on another Ken Williams 86 win team with a stripped out farm system. Trading him for 1 year of Shark to grace the Sox with his greateness is laughable. That process will keep the sox a mediocre team. Eventually you will need to acquire proven players.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 07:37 PM) I assume nobody is ok with Anderson being traded - is that a fair summary of the previous 43 pages? I'm ok with it, depending on the deal.