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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 01:31 PM) This is my biggest concern with bringing De Aza back, but I also don't think he is a valueless player. That's the hardest part - at what point do you just say "we'll take the stuff you're offering" instead of getting absolutely nothing? I imagine these are the kinds of offers they have for Dunn and De Aza and it's just hard to accept those when your back isn't up against the wall. Come September 1st, I honestly do not expect either De Aza or Dunn to be on the White Sox roster. I agree that neither will be back. ADA is not a bad player but doesn't really fit. He would make too much money next year for a 4th OF. The Sox could let him go and re-sign him for less than the arb figure if no one else picks him up but I think someone will as he does have value.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 11:13 AM) I did read the article and it wasn't bad, but good journalists do not open an article like this: You're a professional jounalist, you can think of a better word to use there. I agree. that's why I said I actually agreed with him on the points but have a different take on them. He is pandering to the over reaction and drama people with the first part of the article.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 12:38 PM) De Aza is the backup CF in that scenario. Jordan Danks is the emergency CF and he'll be stashed in Charlotte in that scenario. If for some silly reason they bring Garcia back he's another body that can fill in out there. The problem is De Aza is going to be making around 4-6 million right? That's kinda pricey for a 4th OF. I think there is a decent chance he is traded around Christmas for bullpen arms or a Viciedo type another org has given up on. Sorry, mistyped. I don't think they are comfortable with ADA as the backup CF. I wouldn't be. They need someone on the roster who is a capable backup CF.

QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 08:57 AM) I wouldn't have said this in the recent past, but I think of ADA, Tank, Sierra, and Danks, Viciedo is least likely to be here next year. I have a suspicion that ADA and Sierra will both be here next year. Perhaps both will be in reserve roles I'm not sure the team can do that. If those two are your reserves, there is no backup CF. I don't think they would be comfortable with ADA as a CF for season.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 09:13 AM) Murray Chass is an insufferable nitwit who needs to go away. Also, related, to show how much of a troll Chass has become: http://deadspin.com/murray-chass-is-everyt...ll-o-1493277221 I'm not even going to bother reading the article. Chass can pound sand. Actually, I agree with everything he said. However, my point of view is that Reinsdorf is acting in the best long term interest of MLB. A salary cap and floor like the other leagues is the best way to keep the league viable in the future. While Manfred has done many good things for baseball, he has avoided this topic because he knows it will create a work stoppage. I don't see this changing and it could cause financial problems down the road.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 18, 2014 -> 09:57 PM) Definitely rushed him for trade reasons. To my eyes, it looks like he has changed his mechanics a bit, which has caused everything to flatten out Could be because of something still going on with the ankle. Changing the stride and he is changing other things. I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 18, 2014 -> 06:39 PM) IMO the White Sox were a lot more willing to push Sale than the Nats were with Stras. Had that team not fallen apart I think it seemed clear they'd continue starting Sale in the playoffs if they had the chance. Stras was coming off an injury as well. That would make me more cautious.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 18, 2014 -> 11:37 AM) The other real problem with this logic, as the Nats have demonstrated, is that they might well have given up a chance to win the world series by shutting him down. They expected "oh we've got great young talent we'll be right back next year" but then they had some other injuries and missed the playoffs completely the next year. Right. Then comes the 0questions of priorities. Are you more concerned with the possibility of a world series or of the health of your players. Because the other side is that they make the playoffs don't win the world series and he hurts his arm. What would people say about the team then.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Aug 18, 2014 -> 11:16 AM) I didn't think the limit was necessarily that low but I think they could have gone about it smarter and had him skip a few starts throughout the season. If they skipped him 3 times that would be another 20 innings he could have pitched in the playoffs. True. The other side is would they have made it with him skipping start. Or is it in the best interst of his health to skip starts that often. It would effect his strength and endurance. I don't think there is any one answer. It needs to be by an individual case. With Rodon there is no injury it's a matter of increasing workload. I'm not sure that skipping starts in the middle would be as effective as a constant load. You may be doing him a disservice by throwing 50 innings and resting, 50 more than resting. If a runner is training for a marathon the y don't take off time in the middle to build endurance they slowly increase the distance and speeed. It may work to skip start but I'm not sure that'sthe best for his long term health.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Aug 18, 2014 -> 11:07 AM) They shut him down at 159.1. He didn't pitch after September 7th and didn't pitch in the playoffs. I think that's what was the problem to a lot of people is that 160 seems low and it could have really cost them a shot in the playoffs. I can see that. The 160 may have been reasonable depending on how long he missed and his max limit prior to the injury. His long term health should be the priority.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Aug 18, 2014 -> 10:08 AM) He threw 132.2 in 2013 and 98.2 in 2014. With his college, MiLB, and MLB innings this year, he should end up right around 150. I think it would be perfectly reasonable to expect him to start 26 or 27 games next year and end around 170-180 innings. He would then be set up good to go for 200 in 2016 when the Sox should for sure be ready to compete. This sounds reasonable. Wasn't the Strasburg controversy over a 180 inning limit?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 18, 2014 -> 09:46 AM) Right, I'm referencing next year. This year, for all intents and purposes, won't matter come September, so I'm guessing he'll come up and work 2-4 innings at a time, perhaps even on some kind of schedule still. Even next year he will be on an inning limit.

QUOTE (oneofthemikes @ Aug 18, 2014 -> 08:08 AM) I think that, at this point, Carlos will start 2015 in Chicago. But odds are that he isn't going to be a 200+ inning pitcher right away. So, I think that I would rather see him coming out of the pen to start the season to avoid a Strasburg situation from a few years ago when they shut him down for the remainder of the season. I think that spending April and May in the pen would allow him to conserve enough innings that he could be a starter the rest of the year and really help out down the stretch for a playoff run. Very true. He will not make 33 starts next year. I'm not sure what is max innings was in college but he will be on an inning limit. You can't go too far over a recent max inning level too far in a single year.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 18, 2014 -> 08:23 AM) http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=92849 Considering it came from the horse's mouth, I think you can be pretty assured that Rodon is a starter. You will know by how many innings/pitches they allow him in his AAA starts. If he is still limited to 60 pitches or 3 innings, he will not start games this year, he will be in the pen.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Aug 18, 2014 -> 06:30 AM) The Sox have $46M in payroll commitments for next year. If they think they can compete, which starting the year with Rodon would imply, then they'll definitely spend some money this offseason. That means adding a starting pitcher that is much better than Noesi (or Danks). This isn't necessarily true. They may look at it as a year to get him acclimated to the MLB and plan on challenging for the division the following year.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Aug 18, 2014 -> 09:29 AM) There's a lot more than that that will get in. Chipper Jones, Biggio and Thome are locks. Bagwell, Piazza, Edgar Martinez and Vlad Guerrero should all get in as well at some point. Bagwell and Piazza may have difficulty due to the PED rumors.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Aug 17, 2014 -> 05:54 PM) If we can ever get him and Eaton and Jose and Conor going at the same time lookout. Actually, that might be next year. The future is looking good imo. Avi looks like he hasn't missed a beat I love how he hits laser beam after laser beam the other way. Remember this when people start complaining next year about his lack of power.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Aug 16, 2014 -> 09:42 PM) You do realize that was earlier in the game when he gave up 3 by the third inning when he posted that right? Yes, it's more of a comment on over reacting too early or based on a single inning/event. Instead of looking at the bigger picture.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 16, 2014 -> 06:28 PM) Danks has nothing yet again. Huh, Danks gave up as many runs as Buherle yet pitched deeper into the game.

The point is moot. The Sox have never and will never hit soft tossing lefties well.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 15, 2014 -> 11:40 AM) Everyone knows the kind of talk that goes on in NBA/NFL/MLB clubhouses. Just read all the transcripts from the Dolphins' situation with Ignito and Martin...that's just touching the surface, undoubtedly. Or remember Beckham calling Getz "gay" written in the dirt? All that stuff with Ozzie and Mariotti? However, just because Harrelson was/is around that kind of talk, IN THE CLUBHOUSE...doesn't mean he shouldn't make some type of effort NOT to do it, or we should simply accept the excuse "that's just the way he is, he'll never change, etc." He can at least TRY. I don't recall him ever doing it before so maybe he does try and it slipped out just this once.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Aug 15, 2014 -> 09:45 AM) Love baseball but I'd stop watching MLB as I'd feel betrayed. I could see that. I would probably go to more minor league games. But I couldn't stop watching baseball entirely.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 15, 2014 -> 10:15 AM) http://sports.yahoo.com/news/rob-manfred-w...-233553559.html The article refers to Reinsdorf and his plans a "rich guy" politics and billionaire myopia." Does he realize that all of the owners are rich guys or corporations? He also refers to Reinsdorf as old school and out of date. Reinsdorf want a salary cap. Last I checked this is a new idea that all other professional sports have adopted. The cost control on salaries may be why the other leagues like basketball and NFL are passing the MLB by.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 15, 2014 -> 09:18 AM) Im curious if any of the few Expos fans continued to follow the Nationals. Good point. I know 1 that did and 2 that didn't. The 2 that didn't switched to Toronto to stay with a Canadian team.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Aug 15, 2014 -> 09:12 AM) I've been a Sox fan for over 40 years now but if ownership decided to remove the team from Chicago, my interest in the team would be removed as well. For me, following the cubs is not an option and seeing as how I'm looking to move to Colorado in the next few years anyway I would refocus my attention on the Rockies and never look back. Those are my retirement plans so I would probably do that as well once I got there.