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QUOTE (Lillian @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 06:48 PM) I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you are asserting here. If after this season, we do not have to pay Samardjiza the kind of long term contract that has been speculated here to be around $18 to $20 million per year, why is it such a daunting task to find another pitcher, if the Sox should need one? Perhaps they won't need one, but if they do, there should be a capable arm, obtainable for that kind of money. Sure, if he signed for 3 or 4 years, at the same $10 million that he is likely to be awarded in arbitration, that would be great. But, that's not a realistic expectation. My point is the sox need a pitcher to upgrade their rotation. So they have to pay one of them. Scherzef and lester will get more than js. I would rather pay him than any of the others available. So its worth it to trade for js and his extension.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 06:18 PM) Some of you gentlemen continue to insist that there has to be an "extension on the table," in order for this potential trade to make sense for the Sox. Perhaps, I'm just not articulating the point clearly enough, or I'm simply mistaken, but I don't see such an extension as a benefit to the Sox, because that contract extension would be very expensive. Let me try to state it another way. At approximately $10 million, Samardjiza is a very cost effective #2 starter. At the estimated $20 million per season, with the long term risk, always associated with long term contracts for pitchers, he would not be cost effective, much less a bargain. The fact that he only has one year, fortunately makes it feasible to acquire him, without having to give up the farm. I see all of this as advantageous to the Sox. Take him for one year, let him walk, take the draft pick and the money, and go back to work in the next off season. In other words, I want him for one year, at $10 million. I don't want him for 4 years and $80 million. Doesn't that make sense? The problem with this is that the sox will have a weak rotation and won't win unless they acquire someone. Any good pitcher will get that deal. So do you get js who is cheaper than scherzer or lester or get the other lesser talented pitchers. The sox need to upgrade the rotation if they hope to win.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 02:06 PM) Yeah, we're on the same page here with the problem being there really is no precedent. I can't really think of any windows to sign in a trade from recent history. Considering how the Sox operate it is much more of a possibility than with other teams. This has happened before. I remember the window being 72 hours. This team has 72 hours to reach an extension withthe player before the trade is approved. I can't remember the players but I remember the scenarios discussed in the media.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 01:59 PM) But if Samardzija is willing to sign an extension with the Sox does that entitle the A's to a better return? They own one year of Samradzija's rights so that is what we would be trading for. I am inquiring, but I really don't think that's something that would allow for a larger/more talented package going to Oakland. It would be nice...if only Samardzija was willing to strong arm his boss for the Sox's best interest. It does because I don't think oakland has to allow the sox to negotiate with him.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 01:46 PM) And that's where Anderson does come in play. It makes sense.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 12:21 PM) I'll believe that when I see it. I haven't seen an instantaneous trade/sign in 40 years following this team (Garcia is the only one who was close - he signed later that year) although I remember several when the Sox were "assured" he'd sign. Richie Zisk had a dream, after all. And regardless, the Sox should pay the value of 1 year of a #3 starter. No more. That attitude is fine but then you are Ron Schueler as a GM.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 12:13 PM) I agree. They talk about his background. He doesn't have the "miles" on him most do at his age, but there are guys who are younger with a lot less "miles" than he has currently that are done or in the process of being done. It can go at anytime, although with some of these guys, you have to like their chances of staying fairly healthy. Maybe he is one of them. I do remember Alex Fernandez. He is one guy the White Sox were willing to go really long term on back in the days they were going 3 years max and they mentioned his mechanics. I think his agent was Boras, so it didn't work out. He blew out in Miami pretty quickly. Some of it can be miles. However its really more the age. As you get older the blood flow decreases throughout the body. The rotator cuff is in a vulnerable position due to the way it turns down from the scapula to the humerus. This is why it is such a common injury . In this deal if you want proven pitching you need to give up quality.

QUOTE (staxx @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 12:07 PM) I'd make the trade as long as it doesn't involve anderson or adams. My only non-trade would be rodon. Maybe adams.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 11:59 AM) With pitchers, you never know. That's true at any age. It's the nature of overhead athletes.

QUOTE (Charlie Haeger's Knuckles @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 11:38 AM) #spacebarfail Oh yeah.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 11:33 AM) Maybe Barreto would be part of the trade, if this is even something. Or maybe even Lawrie. Lawrie seems like the type of player the White Sox would have been coveting. This sounds familiar.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 11:25 AM) You don't trade a consensus top 100 prospect for a one year rental starting pitcher unless he signs an extension. Even with that, I would be pissed I think. Give me Samardzija and Upton, different story. Gotta give to get. No I don't. But I admit I'm not as high on prospects as many others are as I think they bust as much has they become stars. Again this is only if the sox get an extension. I would not do it for the rental. Sale, Q, JS. Is a top of the line rotation Edit:wow that was bad typing from my tablet as I am at my daughter's dance e classes.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 11:21 AM) I think Anderson has more value than that. Especially since Samardjia isn't even signed past 2015. It worked out trading highly thought of prospects for Freddy Garcia. Even though 2 of 3 were busts, it didn't work out trading for Nick Swisher. The way pitching is really starting to dominate, I think the Sox are better off keeping Anderson, signing a back end guy, and if they still want Samardjia, sign him next winter. I agree, if there is no contract extension however if the sox get an extension, proven top end starters are more valuable.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 11:19 AM) Like I said earlier, only way I trade Anderson is if Shark and Upton is coming to the Sox. I think you far over valuing Anderson. I'm not saying he can't be a star but he is a years from even being brought to chicago.

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 11:16 AM) That's my thoughts too. Seems like them for Shark is far too much. Maybe the sox are getting the prospect ss oakland just got from toronto.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 11:04 AM) So the question is did he delete it because he realized he would cause a s*** storm and he meant something else, or because he is really traded and is not supposed to let it go public until it is announced. If he is gone, and Samardjia is all that is coming back, this waiting years to build a foundation is BS. He is the one guy the drafted who actually seems to be developing. Maybe but what is wrong with a trade with prospect that is a couple of years away, if he makes it all for a proven #2 or 3 starting mlb pitcher? If the sox get an extension that is.

QUOTE (Soxfan916 @ Nov 28, 2014 -> 11:10 PM) https://www.google.com/search?q=juan+pierre...024&bih=671 It's the one second from the left in the top row.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Nov 28, 2014 -> 10:02 PM) Overstock from a bad giveaway day that were better off in season ticket holder hands rather than the garbage... Supposedly. I'm looking at it right now. It's a different bobblehead as it is him sliding head first and the whole body bobbles above the ground.

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QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 10:17 PM) I like your style. I'd add bacon to that blue burger Fav fast food is tough, so many choices for different types of burgers. Sometimes I was thin and crispy and sometimes juicy and thick. I like anything from Mickeys to five guys. If I make it at home I sear it medium rare with cheddar or blue and bacon. Those are my staples. If I have jalapeños ill grill them as well. For fast food 5 guys is the best. There is a place here where the owner takes a ball of Blue cheese, wraps it in hamburger then wraps it in bacon. After he cooks it it is about the size of a 12 inch softball. You need to let it cool for 20 miutes then pop it. It deflates to an inch and a half patty. It is the best bacon blue burger created.

QUOTE (zenryan @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 03:53 PM) Something doesn't add up, that's for sure. Better ways on handling this than running to Gloria Allred. Probably trying to use the fame of this story as a way to get more money. What's crazy is that if she succeeds, he could get suspended without pay. How does that help the kid financially which is what they are claiming.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 12:41 PM) I quoted jenks in that post on a side-discussion, I responded to you in a separate post? Sorry, I didn't realize that. In respose, I'm sure it happens. Is it right probably not but if someone sees the same behavior over and over again they probably are a little sensitive to it. Kind of like diagnosing a patient. I look at the sign and symptoms and can determine the probelm most of the time without touching the patient. Is it always right, no. Usually it is but it's human nature to watch for patterns.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 12:37 PM) Walking towards somebody with your hands up in a classic surrender mode should not be considered so threatening as to justify killing someone, but we can agree to disagree on that one. Yes we can can diagree. The officer had no way of knowing if a person you just assaulted him was tricking him by pretending to surrender so he could get close enough to attack him again. The story totally changes if Brown stops with his hands up. You have more confidence in people who are willing to commit crimes and assault police officers than I do.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 12:34 PM) Do you think the common perception of being pulled over for a "DWB" or "Driving While Black" has no basis in reality? Don't try to deflect the discussion. I haven't said a thing about that and really don't care to discuss it. I was discussing this case and the facts of this case. That is the point of this discussion.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 11:57 AM) Right, I've said that several witnesses said he was either walking or staggering forward with his arms up or out. That's a pretty important distinction from Wilson's claim that he was charging at him head-first and seemed to be "bulking up" with every bullet. And I've said repeatedly, that it doesn't matter. Any movement toward a person who you just assaulted should be considered threatening. The officer had every right to feel threatened by a person who had just assaulted him.