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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 8, 2014 -> 04:08 PM) At some point, to set up harsher penalties someone has to be the first one to get them, so all of the historical BS of how they looked the other direction strawman will be there. If it wasn't Ray Rice, it was the next guy, or the guy after him. f*** the NFL for looking the other way for this for so long, and all of the other felony's they pretend don't happen. Hopefully some day they join the rest of the world in not wanting to associate with the people who beat their spouses, or any of the other felony's. But this isn't a felony because there was no conviction. In all other cases they wait for the legal system to take it's course, just like the guy in San Francisco. Why is it up to the NFL to provide justice?

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Sep 8, 2014 -> 03:59 PM) As long as we focus all of the lemmings on Ray Rice no one will look at the other actual bad things that are going on, or the fact that no one in the NFL actually cares, they just care about their image, and Ray Rice got caught on tape. Of course the only thing they care about is their image. It's all about making money. The NFL isn't here to "police" society or their players. This is the job of the legal system. They wanted Rice to stay in the league because it makes the Ravens a better team and the league will make more money. He wasn't convicted of anything so the punishment was light. It's only with the outcry from the public, which may hurt their business, that they decided to get tougher.

QUOTE (TRU @ Sep 8, 2014 -> 03:28 PM) See I agree with this. What I don't agree with is no outrage over Josh Brent. Literally not a word about it. Because the crime wasn't malicious in intent and he was prosecuted and he served his time. If rice is prosecuted and serves his time determined by the legal system he should get a second chance. The problem is the way he got out of being prosecuted and wasn't being punished.

QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Sep 8, 2014 -> 11:43 AM) Not saying you're wrong, but it's so frustrating that the idea of shrinking the schedule is such a non-starter. You're right, the profit-driven owner would never even consider it. Fact is though, it would be so much better for the sport in numerous, far-reaching ways. Profit driven owners or greedy players/agents for demanding more?

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Sep 8, 2014 -> 12:03 AM) So who else got f***ed by Julius Thomas tonight?? Hoping for a huge day out of Calvin Johnson tomorrow to pull out a win. I would have been but Patterson had a big day to offset it somewhat.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 6, 2014 -> 02:07 PM) I worship Paulie, I'm just saying there's no reason to play with a broken hand when it's your last season. It's not a fractured hand really. It's to the sesamoid bone. They are two little bones at the base of the thumb that serve as guides and protectors for the thumb flexor tendon. There are about half the size of a pea. It really doesn't effect the function of the hand other than it hurts like crazy.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 5, 2014 -> 05:57 PM) 162 game averages look better for him because he missed a lot of time right? Even if you don't believe the small differences in numbers, career Wins Above Replacement gives a good way of comparing relatively how much damage a guy has done over his career. Right now, Mauer is at about 45 WAR regardless of where we look. That's about at the level of guys like Mark Grace, that's behind David Ortiz, etc. For a hall of famer I want to see a guy get a lot more than that, to clearly stand out. At the very least for Mauer based on those numbers we need to start thinking about him putting up 3 more All-Star level seasons, and that might be hard as a 1b since he'll have to hit more as a catcher to get past guys like Abreu who tear it up at that position. At around 60 WAR, you start getting into guys like Sheffield, Andy Pettitte, Chase Utley who have had long enough careers that you can legitimately start thinking about them being borderline. Notably, I don't think those guys are hall of famers, they're hall of very good. Once you start getting past 60, then you can start really making the case that a guy did a lot of damage for a very long time, really start going into their numbers and ask "is this guy a hall of famer". Again, don't focus on the exact numbers, use that as a scale. Mauer has put up 5 WAR seasons in his career but that's as a catcher. For him to do that as a 1b, he needs to do the kind of damage Jose Abreu has done, and this year he's been no where near that. Does he have a 3-4 year burst like that in him in his early 30's? I'd say I'm skeptical. He has a long way to go. His peak wasn't long enough or extreme enough to carry him and his body seems to be wearing down. If he'd kept up the 2009 form for a couple years that could have done it, but he didn't. He had one incredible year, a series of very good years, but we don't put guys in the Hall of Fame for being very good, we put them in there for being great. It's sad to think that a guy having the season like Abreu is only 5 games better than a replacement player let alone an average player. It really shows that one player really doesn't make much difference in baseball.

QUOTE (Buster Posey @ Sep 5, 2014 -> 05:39 PM) A friend asked me earlier this week if I thought Joe Mauer belongs in the Hall of Fame. I think he does, but I wanted to see what the rest of you think. Mauer's lifetime numbers aren't especially impressive aside from his batting average and OBP, but if one looks at his 162-game averages, the case for his HOF induction becomes much stronger. That he's won multiple Silver Slugger Awards and Gold Gloves--as well as an MVP--also helps his argument. Thoughts? I don't think he's done it long enough yet. He seems to be tailing off as well. His OPS is slightly better than Konerko while konerko did it over 7-8 more years. Everyone really agrees that PK doesn't belong there.

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 5, 2014 -> 05:06 PM) I agree with this. That's a huge risk. Would anyone put money on more than 8 carries from Spiller? It may happen but very scary. The coaches quote was they wanted to get him 20 touches a game so tat's why they went with him on kickoffs. But Spiller vs. the Bears defense is tempting. I'm leaning towards Bell as his work is supposed to increase this year due to Bush being worn down at the end of last year.

QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 5, 2014 -> 04:11 PM) He's injured, but not done. https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/507999273318113280 This is a pretty rare injury. Just need to wait for the pain (inflammation) to go down.

Spiller or J. Bell from Detroit in a PPR league for RB2.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 4, 2014 -> 10:04 PM) I couldn't have been more wrong about Pete Carroll and I hate it Agreed.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 3, 2014 -> 11:55 AM) You do know that most (if not all?) public schools have had their funding cut repeatedly over the years and that rising tuition rates reflect that, right? There are other causes as well (bloated admin salaries and head counts), but loss of public funding is a major part. The schools in Illinois have had the funding dramatically cut (our budget is equal to what we received in 2001) and cannot raise tuition very much. This is why you see schools like UIUC bring in a great number of foreign students, they are not subject to that tuition cap. Also the way schools received their "budgeted money" is not like the real world. The state say you get X amount this year. However the way it works is that the school pays a bill and must submit a request for reimbursement from the state for the budgeted money. The state then usually waits months to reimburse the school and at the end of the budget cycle states" we decided not give reimburse your full allotted budgeted money." So the schools can usually depend on a 10-15% decrease in whatever budget was promised. When I started in the mid-90's the state supplied 80% of the total budget, now they are down to 25%. As I say we've gone from a state school to a state supported school to a state affiliated school.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Sep 3, 2014 -> 10:47 AM) Right now these guys seem like locks for next year: 1B: Abreu 2B: Johnson/Semien/Sanchez SS: Ramirez 3B: Gillaspie CF: Eaton RF: Garcia That's six spots in our lineup already filled. As of today, here's how we'd fill the other spots internally: C: Flowers LF: Tank/Semien/Danks/Taylor/Mitchell DH: Tank/Wilkins/Taylor I agree that LF & DH are higher priorities, but improving at catcher should also be on the to-do list. Flowers may be passable by league standards, but hoping for average production out of a position should never be a goal. I'm pretty sure Hahn will be looking for an upgrade this offseason, whether he can find one at semi-reasonable price will be the true challenge. The highest priority should be the bullpen.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 3, 2014 -> 09:03 AM) You know what? You're right, for some reason I was thinking it was only his first full year back. But he really did have most of 2013 (though at 130-ish IP), so this is (mostly) his second season back. He should have been better by now, injury-recovery-wise. This is the key factor. He only threw 130 innings last year. After 130 this year he was building endurance and working with fatigue. It will be interesting to follow him as his innings increase next year. While he didn't pitch well overall, I think he was better early in the season as opposed to late. It does give some hope for next year.

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 3, 2014 -> 09:29 AM) Every once in a while though, Aikman will come up with some real gems of analysis that I had never heard of. He at least stays away from the platitudes of "toughness" and the like. Unfortunately, this is no longer part of the NFL.

QUOTE (onedude @ Sep 2, 2014 -> 10:04 PM) Honestly...He officially pitched that amount, but do we add all the pre game and pre inning pitches to that total? I think a good way to condition a pitcher is to have them continue throwing after they've exited the game. Not necessarily 100% but enough to build a bigger stamina/endurance. You really don't want them throwing after the game because of all the fatigue and stress they've put on the arm. I do agree they need to throw more but it should be on the off days. Physiologically, when the muscles are fatigued they will provide less support to the joint and put a greater stress on the ligaments. This is a good way to have a UCL sprain or tear.

QUOTE (LDF @ Sep 2, 2014 -> 09:39 PM) hey that is kool. I really enjoyed this. peace Me as well. Discussion is the only way to learn.

QUOTE (LDF @ Sep 2, 2014 -> 07:53 PM) I will give you that. but if he is not use to it or if he didn't build up to it, is the point I am trying to make. just in a fleeting moment of craziness, you let a pitcher throw those extra pitches. is what I am comparing, sale is a valuable piece of the sox future. I would gladly be wrong, if someone can convince me otherwise. There really isn't a right or wrong as there isn't a great deal of research on any of it. My opinion is just that it was early in the season however throughout spring training and into the season he had built up to it. He's had times on the DL where he trew 80 pitches and it caused problems. He just has mechanics that are very difficult to repeat and is prone to having issues, albeit minor ones so far. Hopefully he is good enough at it that they remain minor problems.

QUOTE (LDF @ Sep 2, 2014 -> 07:08 PM) do you by any chance remember the pitching count? wasn't it over 120+ and so far in the beginning of the season. It was 122 I think. I still don't think there is a correlation between the 2. 122 isn't that high and it was one time. If it happens repeatedly and it's a higher number then I would start to question it.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Sep 2, 2014 -> 03:54 PM) rauner is killing quinn in the polls btw rauner and rahm are tight so expect not much to change I didn't know this and it's a shame. Why is it that all of the elections are now becoming vote for the lesser of two evils rather than someone you could really get behind.

With Bassitt and Carroll listed as available RH, who is the 5th starter? Sale, Q, Danks, Noesi, ?.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 2, 2014 -> 03:51 PM) Bryan Hoch ‏@BryanHoch 56m Joe Girardi: Masahiro Tanaka diagnosed with arm fatigue by team doctor, scheduled to throw bullpen this week. This can't be true. He has thrown many more pitches in games when he was in Japan. How can this be The answer is he has benn throwing more often and maybe at a different intensity.

QUOTE (LDF @ Sep 2, 2014 -> 03:04 PM) speaking of sale, do you remember when robin kept sale in the game, early in the season. sale wounded up missing some time b/c of a sore arm. I don't think it had anything to do with keeping him in the game. Injuries and soreness happen when pitching. Sale has had similar experiences when only throwing 80 pitches in the previous game.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 2, 2014 -> 02:58 PM) I've always kind of wondered, since starters have a bullpen session anyway on the side, why certain teams have never tried to maximize their talented pitchers and let them have an in-game bullpen session. At least in situations where your teams pen is thin from a couple bad starts, etc. I presume the answer is the bullpen session is far less intense then an in-game session, so it really isn't the same and thus you are adding unwanted stressful innings to the pitcher. This is correct.