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QUOTE (SleepyWhiteSox @ Aug 3, 2014 -> 11:13 AM) What's the prognosis on the George Paul injury? As near as I can tell, most of the damage was done above the ankle. It was also an eversion type injury for the direction. These factors bode well for recovery. It's difficult to tell from the videos but the key will be if any of the muscles or nerves were involved. From reports it doesn't sound like it. This will be closeto a year beforehe is ready to go due to both bones being involved and soft tissue repair. The return of ankle mobility will determine if he has any limitations when he returns.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 3, 2014 -> 09:56 PM) Ok, here is an odd one ptatc. I have a strange soreness in and around my left collarbone. I get pains when I turn a certain way, but it isn't more than a muscle pull type pain. Nothing sharp or jarring, no weakness in my left arm or side as a result, it is just annoying I can't think of something I did to cause it, just woke up with it one day a few weeks ago Is the pain at the end of the collar near the shoulder or near your neck?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 25, 2014 -> 02:47 PM) When I jog I sometimes get soreness on both knees. On my left knee, the soreness is on the right side; on the right knee, the soreness is on the left side. It's almost like it's on the bone, like a bruise. I don't get the pain when I walk at a brisk pace. Should I ice my knees? I'd like to up my distance running but with this soreness I don't want to do something stupid and get hurt. My broken foot finally healed and I got the OK to work out again about 3 weeks ago and I've been enjoying walking and jogging except for the knee soreness. Sorry, been out of town. Is the pain near the knee cap or further back?

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 2, 2014 -> 11:29 AM) If I may, I'm repeating a post I just made in yesterdays winners thread so more people see it. That record (56) is one of the hardest to break considering such a hot hitter would be walked a lot. Besides the 21 game streak and 10 AB streak he also has a hit in 39 of the last 40 games. He had that 18 game hitting streak went 0/4 against Seattle on July 5th then started the current streak . Abreu was taken out in the 9th for pinch runner Leury Garcia who then took his place in the lineup and got 2 AB's and got a hit. The Sox did not score in the 9th and eventually lost in the 14th inning 3-2. If he wasn't pinch run for it's possible we're looking at a 40 game hitting streak now. Imagine the media frenzy once a player gets to 40. The closest anyone has come to DiMaggio's record is 1978 when Pete Rose had a 44 game streak and that was a big deal since even 40 game streaks are quite rare. I remember it. BTW the Sox record is 24 ,I believe ,by Carlos Lee. After his 0/4 Abreu was hitting .276. He's now at .310 http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/mlb/gameda..._1&mode=box link to boxscore. P.S. When Joe DiMaggio played for the San Francisco Seals of the Pacific Coast League he had a 61 game hitting streak with a total of 104 hits — five games longer than his Major League record. Source : Baseball-Almanac.com Iwas working with the Brewers when Molitor had a 39 game streak. A local burger chain sold 39 cent burgers.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 1, 2014 -> 11:57 AM) Less than 4 months. That is absolutely incredible. The rehab is typically 3-6 months. So it's not really that out of line. I'm surprised is this early but it's not crazy.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 09:11 AM) That is an INSANE haul for Lester MLB quality pitching is always worth alot when no pitchers are given in return.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 08:45 AM) Exactly. Just a minor tweak ruins the deal. Unlike when the Sox traded for Peavy and it really didn't matter if he was able to pitch right away, anyone trading for Danks wants to use him immediately. I do know one thing, if Danks did get hurt today and it came out that the Sox had a deal lined up but that injury killed it, somehow it would be 23's fault. However, you have to say publically that he is going to start to maintain some leverage. You can't tell a team that we will walk away from the deal because it's not good enough then tell the world that Danks is not starting because he is being traded.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 08:39 AM) I of course disagree. Maybe not a title contender, but certainly a playoff contender IMO. Really think adding Avi and Semien/Johnson alone will make a huge difference for the offense and I envision Hahn adding a FA bat, SP, and some bullpen help. I don't mind the whole "Danks is a backend starter getting paid like a mid rotation starter" simply because the Sox have 2 front line starters that are being paid like 3/4s. Even adding a huge SP contract to go along with Danks would not even put the Sox close to the Phillies and Dodgers of the worlds in terms of SP contracts. Like others have said, he has much more value to the Sox than he does any other team. At the very least the longer you keep him, as long as he doesn't get hurt or starts getting hit around more than just a few times a year, the more valuable he potentially becomes. Semien was not very good earlier this year and no one knows what Johnson will do in his first try at the MLB. They are not likely to be much of an improvement.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 08:14 AM) I very strongly diagree with the bolded. We're still a few core pieces away from being at that point. Maybe a couple of them will come in-house, like a 2B for one, but we won't know until they are here showing themselves as MLB ballplayers. For all purposes we're a contender no sooner than 2016, that's how we should approach the deadline & offseason. Danks is a back end starter getting paid like a mid-rotation starter. There are several contracts that are worse, and Danks isn't too much of an overpayment, and Danks *could* even perform up to his deal or even slightly exceed it assuming he continues to develop into a different type of pitcher. But I'm not seeing any leverage here in possessing a likely back-end SP at market value or above that isn't in demand. If there's no real demand where does our leverage come from? No we don't *have* to trade Danks but if we pass this up and keep him we could really end up regretting it. The Yanks are in a tough spot ATM where they need SP and can't afford much, and so maybe the extent of our leverage in negotiations is forcing them to take on at least 90% or more of the remaining deal. Maybe there's a good amount of leverage in that. If teams are offering nothing of value, there is no regretting it.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 09:37 PM) Over compensating with the arm to make up for a weak back? Always possible. Pitchers with back problems tend to shorten the trunk flexion during the follow through and that could effect anything.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 09:05 PM) I don't know how it works with this injury. Was this tear inevitable and possibly prolonged by the down time or is it more of a random occurence? The ligament tear is not inevitable. He may have been throwing too hard too soon to try to rush back or it could be just the random injury.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 03:38 PM) The glute bone is connected to the, elbow ligament Going to have to go back to the cadavers and figure this one out.

QUOTE (mmmmmbeeer @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 06:16 PM) Not only that, but this has "good Samaritan" Jerry Reinsdorf written all over it.....you know JR probably feels horrible for the kid and will do anything he can do to accommodate him. Not to mention that since he was hurt under contract it will be workers comp until he returns.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 29, 2014 -> 10:04 AM) He's got a mediocre strike out rate, a mediocre walk rate, he gives up a lot of home runs, he doesn't throw as hard, he's been incredibly mediocre to bad overall as a pitcher this year, and he's due another $30 mill or so. As a back end of the rotation starter for the Sox, I have no problem with John Danks, but I'm trying to temper expectations for what the return will be. BTW, the quality start statistic is ridiculous. If a guy goes 6 innings and gives up 3 ER, how is that really any different than a guy going 7 or 8 and giving up 4 ER? The problem is you can look at all the predictive stats you want or look at what he's really done. His ancillary stats aren't great but he's been able to prduce at a pretty good level. The stat isn't ridiculous as very few pitchers average 8 innings a game anymore. The 7 or 8 and 4 runs is no different but most pitchers don't go that deep into games because they aren't expected to.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 29, 2014 -> 12:04 AM) But they aren't saying it's a fluke just to hate on him -- it's because even when he's hot he isn't showing any signs of sustainability. No player can sustain their production while "hot". The definition of hot is to be playing better than their norm. If you expect that of any player you will be wrong.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 04:41 PM) Oh I know that is *his* reasoning, I'm just saying that *his* reasoning often makes no sense. When there's like 10 different options and you're consistenly picking between the 3 dumbest actions to take then I just have to wonder whgether you are a managert guy ore a footlong chili cheese dog, that's all. If this is the case, I wouldn't put a player in where he wasn't comfortable either. That is just a recipe for long term disaster. You may do it for a trial but during a long season you need to put the players in the best position to win and consistently putting them in uncomfortable positions or continually changing them is not a winning recipe (you've made me hungry with the dogs references).

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 04:37 PM) me too (all of us, although mine is turkey dog w/ turkey chili TYVM) but I dont want my footlong chili cheese dog managing the baseball game I barely trust the thing long enough to manage its way down my esophagus & into my belly sometimes it doesnt have a lot of time to react it goes down so quick Across the street from Coors field is a place called Biker Jim's hotdogs. I has a pheasant brat wrapped in ham wrapped in swiss cheese and deep fried for a phesant cordon bleu dog. I could have died right there from the taste and the cholesterol. I think it would make a dang fine manager.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 04:35 PM) Then you get Leury Garcia betting leadoff you have to wonder whether Connor's spot int he order is the product of great thought or just Robin being Robin ie footlong chili cheese dog being footlong chili cheese dog That is more because you want to keep the consistency in the rest of the order when Eaton needs a break. Why mess with everyone when one guy needs a break. Maybe Garcia is used to being in that spot through out his minor league career and is more comfortable there.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 04:33 PM) Robin's brain = footlong chili cheese dog hence the farting 1.00 weenie wedsnesdays at the creamery! I love the chilli cheese dogs.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 03:56 PM) Dude, I'm talking about obvious noob stuff like running out of pitchers, "forgetting" to PR for Jose and then PR for him when he's on 2B, bringing on a LHP for the platoon matchup and then having the opposing manager make the obvious move to then bring on a righty PH and batting Gordon Beckham and Ramirez 2nd while the guy with the highest OBP on the team can't get out of the bottom 1/3 (Conor). And to answer your question, maybe 1 or 2 games at most. As I've said so many freaking times: managers don't really mean s*** in baseball but that sure as heck you don't try and get the best you can. Maybe he doesn't trust a younger player higher in the order or maybe Conor told him he is not comfortable in that spot. You could force a player to hit there but what would it do to his performance. There are many variable that go into the lineup not just "the guy with the highest OBP" hits second.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 08:24 AM) Poster's aren't paid to look 2 or 3 moves ahead or manage the team but Robin is. So it really makes no difference when they say the moves are iffy because they are iffy. If you realize it before time, during or after, they are still questionable moves and I don't see you denying that. If it doesn't matter then, it doesn't matter now.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jul 24, 2014 -> 02:07 PM) Yea he probably couldn't do any upper body work for a few months and is probably just now getting back to lifting. Bat prolly felt pretty heavy in his hands the first few swings. There might be scar tissue he is also working through correct? Shouldn't be much scar tissue as it was probably done arthroscopically. But you never know.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jul 24, 2014 -> 12:56 PM) So he's running, hitting and throwing, they must just be waiting on a formal medical clearance before he does his rehab assignment. I would love to see him get 80 or so PA in September to knock a bit of the rust off. Odds are it's mostly continuing to build strength and thengetting in "baseball" shape with timing and coordination. Basically he needs to go through Spring training.

I think the only real answer is too few.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 09:07 PM) Na dude, same thing. Nice try with the "science". Big difference hence the 3 month rehab vs. 9-12 month rehab.