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Another Dunn strikeout with a runner in scoring position and less than two outs.

QUOTE (jasonxctf @ Feb 28, 2011 -> 02:15 PM) seriously Juan, trying to steal 3rd with no outs, Dunn at bat and Konerko on deck in the first inning, of the first spring training game? With the frequency that Dunn strikes out, I have a feeling you will see a lot of this. Odds are the pitcher isn't going to throw a straight fastball so it will be a better pitch to run on.

QUOTE (scenario @ Feb 27, 2011 -> 03:52 PM) http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2011/...illen-feud.html Would have been nice if Ozzie had handled the issue as maturely as Francona did. If so, this 'feud' would have been a non-issue 5 minutes after it started. I wonder if Francona would have been mature as you call it if one of his former pitchers said he couldn't manage a bullpen. It's easy to turn the other cheek when you have nothing personal involved.

QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ Feb 27, 2011 -> 05:50 PM) more/less blamed Cooper for either changing jake's mechanics, or not noticing that they were changed until way too late If I remember right it is the fact that they tried to stop him from dropping down so much. They did the same thing at the beginning of 2010 but when he wasn't doing well he went back to it. Cooper had the same trouble with Contreras. They finally found a compromise on how often to do it but it was a struggle.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Feb 27, 2011 -> 01:00 AM) But the Mets didn't do it for building purposes, they did it because they are getting their asses sued and don't have enough money to honor contracts (or so I hear). True. I was just giving examples of teams that borrow from the league. Many teams borrow money for various reasons. They usually just do it for the really large amounts to decrease the interest they need to pay back.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Feb 26, 2011 -> 02:25 PM) Mets took a $25M loan from the MLB? I didn't even know they could do that... Yes. It's similar to the loans the NFL teams take to build new stadiums. They get a loan from the NFL to meet the "matching funds" when the state or city offers money. I believe the Twins owner did this for their new stadium as well but I'm not sure.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Feb 26, 2011 -> 06:33 AM) But shouldn't she have a number somewhere to qualify for this thread?

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Feb 25, 2011 -> 12:24 PM) You throw high and in and you know there is more than a decent chance of that ball hitting the player, and a good chance of it hitting him in the head. Not only do you run the risk of severely injuring a human over a baseball game, but it would be media hysteria and a major distraction for the players. If you can't throw up and in without hitting the batter, you have no business pitching in the MLB. I'm not advocating hitting him, just to put a little idea in his mind so he's distracted.

QUOTE (LVSoxFan @ Feb 25, 2011 -> 08:52 PM) OK I'm no expert so this is more of a question, but: does now Peavy become more of a "control" pitcher picking his spots (think: Maddox, or Buehrle) instead of trying to blow away batters with heat? Peavy will regain his previous strength and his fastball will be the same as it was prior to the injury. There is nothing wrong with the muscle it just needs to be strengthened. how long that takes is the question. I still think he will be ready for the beginning of the season or soon thereafter. As stated before, can he be effective without his tendency to drop down is the key. Physically he will be unchanged.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Feb 25, 2011 -> 12:41 AM) Nothin wrong with a second opinion. Nobody's perfect, not even medical doctors. Especially not them! There is a reason it's referred to as the practice of medicine and not the science of medicine.

QUOTE (PlaySumFnJurny @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 05:27 PM) Ptac-- Is there a realistic chance that the re-attachment could come apart where, for lack of a better term, it has been "welded" back to the bone. I was under the impression that nobody is absolutely certain about that because we're kind of in unchartered waters. Or are you saying its akin to when a wound is healed with new skin and scar tissue; that once its "healed" there's no real risk it will rip open and bleed again where the separation had been? Thanks The reattachment will not come apart under normal stress. It was for the lack of a better term, tacked down and healed. It may still have the tack holding it down to the bone, depending on if they used a dissolvable one or not. The injury is healed and there is no longer any concern about it coming apart. While I have never seen this in jury in a pitcher, I have seen it in other throwers such as a javelin thrower. These athletes put alot more stress on their shoulders than pitchers do. Their elbow is locked during the throw and all of the force goes through the shoulder. The repair did not come apart in these cases and it won't in Peavy's case. However, back to Peavy, he just needs to v build the strength up in the lat for throwing. This is the unknown factor. As soon as he can throw with near normal velocity he will be fine. Then it will just come down to not dropping down as much to avoid the odd stresses on his shoulder.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 07:00 PM) Nice to see he hates the Sox as much as we do him: After reading that, the pitch I throw to Morneau is a high and tight fastball. I wouldn't hit him but get him thinking what may happen if I did. Not saying this specifically for Crain but any pitcher.

QUOTE (chisoxfan09 @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 09:35 PM) PTATC, have you ever seen an advantage to the pitching motion or arm strength if a lanky or really skinny player bulks up and gains weight and also gains strength in their arm? No. In fact studies show there is no correlation to muscle strength and how hard a person throws. There are so many variables that go into throwing. One of them is length of a lever arm so pitcher with longer arms have a better chance to throw hard but it's not a direct correlation. Intuitively, it makes sense that the stronger you are and the better built you are that you would have a decreased chance of injury but again there is no proof from a study. Mechanics are a different story. The smoother more direct mechanics seem to put less stress on the soft tissue structures of joints. However, hitters can see the ball better this way. The funky mechanics or "hiding the ball" with odd mechanics can give a pitcher an advantage. This is more likely to happen with lanky arms.

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 05:24 PM) I feel that depends a lot on Sale's physical development. I can't imagine the Sox would be comfortable with Sale tossing 200 innings in a year given his current physical configuration. He's not Verlander, Strasburg, Prior, etc. where he's built like a horse straight out of college. That's true to an extent. Look at a guy like Jack McDowell. Some guys are just going to be long and lanky.If they feel he's strong enough they'll let me go.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 04:29 PM) You mean next year as in 2012 right? Because there is no way he pitches 200 innings in 2012, and I still highly doubt he gets there in 2013, but 180+ can be a possibility if they really push him along fast. Like J4L is saying, this is our first legitimate pitching prospect in a while. If we are going to actually stretch him out into a starter, then I A) don't want him in the bullpen in 2011 (which is a battle I already lost), and then B.) I don't want him being rushed back into the rotation and expecting him to take on a normal starters workload right away. If both A and B don't happen, I am going to be very disappointed with this organization. Yes, if he pitches in the pen this year, the Sox would limit his innings in 2012 to around 160-175. In 2013 they would allow him to pitch 200 or above. I trust the Sox to handle him properly as far as development is concerned at the MLB level. As the current team stands he is more valuable in the pen to the 2011 team. If Peavy isn't healthy and Buerhle and Jackson leave next year, it won't matter what the Sox do with Sale because the team will be bad. If Peavy is healthy and either Buerhle or Jackson return, you can pitch Sale as the 5th starter and keep his innings in an acceptable range.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 04:17 PM) A-Rod was once a great defender. He's pretty mediocre now. Pujols' defense hasn't regressed as fast since he's a 1B. Plus, WAR takes positioning into account and A-Rod has a a 1.5 win advantage every season from positioning alone. He had a 2 win advantage as a SS. Yet Pujols still has a higher WAR count in the past 10 seasons. I think that should say something about Albert's offensive and defensive abilities. Puljols is the better hitter. However, from the position stand point the better defense at a more important position would probably win out. I'm referring to the whole career not just as the players are today. As far as the WAR goes, I still think it's an invalid stat. It makes for good discussion and is probably the best attempt to compare players over different eras and comparing the value of pitchers and position players. However, as a way to compare position players to position players in the same timeframe, I'm not a big fan from a statistical point of view.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 04:02 PM) Lol, all 120 innings or so? And then all 150 innings or so in 2013, and then all 180 innings or so in 2014? It won't be (or shouldn't be) until 2014 that Sale actually puts up a good sized workload. The Sox will not hold him back and only increase his innings by 30 per year. Your point is valid for next year and next year only. After that he would be ready for a 200 inning season based on workload. One thing you need to remember is that in out of the bullpen he will throw probably 60-70 innings. However in situations where he warms up and doesn't get into games and extra side sessions for bullpen pitchers he will get in 100 innings worth of throwing. Bullpen pitchers take alot of stress on thier arms compared to a starter. the stress of consecutive days throwing and the getting up and down probably equates to alot more innings than that. It really wouldn't take more than 1/2 a season to get his arm ready to start if they changed their mind right now.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 04:11 PM) Yeah. I should've said since 2001. I would probably agree with that, although i might still put Rodriquez ahead of him.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 04:06 PM) He's definitely been the best player in the past decade. http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=...=2001&ind=0 A-Rod is close and Manny is close offensively, but Pujols bests those guys by a decent margin. Rodriguez is close enough that I'll take his offense with good to great defense SS or 3B as opposed to Puljols at 1B.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 02:48 PM) It's cruel and whatever else to make fun of how much someone lifts, but I curl as much as Juan Pierre. That's pretty neat. That is a pretty magnificent dumbbell set. Well yeah, but you weigh more than 120 lbs.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 03:31 PM) I can't believe those that are dissing Pujols. He's the greatest player of the modern era. He should get paid the maximum amount. 10 years? Probably not. But I've got no problem with the salary. Jason Bay is making almost $20 million, people! I would disagree with that. I would take Alex Rodriguez, KenGriffey Jr. and Barry Bonds before him and that's just position players. There are a number of pitchers i would probably put ahead of him as well. Depending on your definition of modern area Hank Aaron, Mickey Mantle and Roberto Clemente were all superior players compared to him.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 03:28 PM) I'm extremely surprised he is cranking it up and spinning breaking balls this soon. The shoulder mechanics for breaking pitches is no different than fastballs so that doesn't matter. The only thing he needs to work on is strengthening so letting him crank it up is the only way it's really going to happen. You can only do rubber band exercises so much before you need to throw. His injury was healed in November at the latest. He has been doing strengthening ever since.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 11:55 AM) I dunno, I'd take a stud CF over a stud reliever any day. I wouldn't. Pitching always trumps hitting. Unless you think you are close to winning a World Series and you have a desperate need, keep pitching. Right now we don't have that desperate need. If we trade Buerhle and move Sale to the rotation the bullpen becomes much weaker and the rotation becomes a big question mark as the Sox don't know what he can do starting.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 01:34 AM) That's what concerns me. The guy has done it with those same mechanics and has had a tremendous amount of success doing it that way his entire career. To tell the guy at 29 that he has to significantly alter those mechanics isn't going to be easy. Hell, he could make a mega effort to change them and then just by force of habit revert back to those prior mechanics and another major injury could occur. Guess what I'm saying is that no matter how Scott Merikiney the White Sox want to be when discussing Peavy, he's going to be high-risk from this point on. I still don't think his normal mechanics are too bad. They aren't perfect but no one model of mechanics takes everything into account. It's his tendency to want to drop down and gain more movement that is worrisome. If he stays with his "normal" mechanics, I think he will be fine. It's when he gets into that drop down mode similar to Conteras, that the Sox need to worry.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Feb 23, 2011 -> 07:41 PM) 582 ft according to Wikipedia. Thanks. Being old it didn't occur to me to look there. I was thinking it was in 1988 as well. I've never seen a ball hit like that before or since.