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QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 2, 2008 -> 02:33 PM) I'd rather C.C. stay on the Indians the rest of the year. It would be nice for him to be able to face the Tigers/Twins the rest of the way, and I also don't want to see him end up on the Cubs. Agreed. He helps us out much more by pitching in our division against Detroit and Min.

QUOTE (chimpy2121 @ Jun 24, 2008 -> 02:49 PM) I think the number is 11.7 now that the NCAA nixed baseball again. Before this last season they also put in a rule where they have to take classes in the spring now (hah) and transfers have to sit out a year now. Another way college baseball gets screwed is with the new NCAA graduation rate rules. If a program (any college program) does graduate the athletes at a certain rate they lose scholarships. With the number of baseball players leaving after their jumior year, the programs get penalized as these athletes have not graduated. This is another reason "partial" scholarships are the norm for college baseball.

QUOTE (TCQ @ Jun 25, 2008 -> 08:41 AM) That he pitched too much thing is BS, back in the good old days there were no relievers, a starting pitcher could easily throw three hundred innings a year. Pitchers today are babied too much, and im not buying that that is why he now is the highest paid batting practice pitcher. This is wrong. It's not that pitchers are babied, it's that most of these guys shouldn't be in the majors. Back in the good old days as you put it, the pitchers whose arms couldn't handle the workload were sed up in the minors and were out of baseball. With the increased number of teams there is a need for more pitchers so you have to take it easier on arms that really shouldn't be here. they should throw more and should throw more innings and many could handle it but many could not so with the money invested in these pitchers you have no choice but to be careful with pitchers who back in the good old days would have been out of the game before they saw the majors.

QUOTE (quickman @ Jun 19, 2008 -> 03:26 PM) I have a very good business friend of mine who is a partial owner of the seattle mariners. He recently retired from Microsoft and is now the president of the Gates foundation. That said, I have been informed on several occasions that ichiro is a lifer in seattle. He will not be traded nor does he want to be traded. He has roots and extended family in seattle. Now that said things may change, but from my information ichiro stays in seattle. friends of mine in the organization say the same thing. As long as he wants to be there he is the face of the organization.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 19, 2008 -> 10:52 AM) You're so going to disappear under an Obama presidency... And those that don't disappear will be taxed to death, then disappear

I thought I read somewhere is was Venezuela

QUOTE (Pants Rowland @ Jun 18, 2008 -> 12:28 PM) I would not mind having Alexei roam the field, virtually playing every day but in different spots. He seems really versatile and does not have the superstar mentality where he needs to play in one spot only. I would love to see him rotate between CF, 2B and SS the rest of the year. Meanwhile, Swisher, Dye, Konerko and Thome could rotate between RF, DH, and 1B. Versus lefties you have Konerko at 1B, Swish in RF, and Dye DH. Versus righties, you have Swish at 1B, Dye in RF, and Thome at DH. Your bench is much stronger with some combination of Alexei, Ozuna, Anderson, Durham and Konerko/Thome available and sets up tougher decisions for the opposing managers late in games. Your defense is probably better since with Durham added to the lineup you can play Anderson more in CF, especially versus lefties and not worry about the offensive dropoff too much. I know many will say you can't pay for all that power to sit on the bench, but with their age and injuries, it might be best for Konerko and Thome (and Dye for that matter) to stay fresh and be ready for more playing time come September/October. Most of this makes sense except that Konerko hits righties better than lefties, if I recall correctly. This would negate the advantage of having him in that platoon. That was part of the reason we struggled against lefties last year. Some of our RH hit RHP better.

This makes what he did pretty amazing. The ACL is primarily responsible for rotational stability in the knee. If he has a ruptured ACL it 's got to feel like slipping on ice during his follow through. It's amazing he can be consistent with that and that's not including the pain associated with the stress fracture.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox15 @ Jun 17, 2008 -> 09:48 PM) I am totally with you dude. I am hoping this is just a prelude to some of the havoc we wreak on the Northside of town this weekend. I like the Yamamoto quote in the sig.

QUOTE (29andPoplar @ Jun 17, 2008 -> 12:43 PM) Ptatc, a question for you. It says it's a Grade One sprain of the oblique. Can you explain what the grade comment means in this situation? Grades are defined by the amount of tissue injury and symptoms. Grade I minimal tissue tearing, no defect, inflammation, minimal edema, only minimal motion impairment. Grade II moderate (up to half of the fibers) tissue tearing, small palpable defect, edema, blood may be present, moderate motion limitation Grade III severe tissue tearing (up to complete rupture), significant palpable defect, severe edema, significant decrease in motion. If his is a grade one it should be 3 weeks at the most. The problem is that the left (internal or external) oblique is one of the major muscle which rotates your trunk to the left. This is significant for a right handed hitter. PS: It should be strain not sprain. Strains are muscles, sprains are ligaments, technically.

According to the article on www.chicagopsorts.com by gonzalez, the injury is an oblique strain not a rib strain. These are two vastly different injuries. The oblique injury will not take as long to heal as the rib injury.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Jun 17, 2008 -> 11:06 AM) I think he lost his super magical power when he left the Indians. "Remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail." spoken from the Pork Chop Express. I love that movie. On the DVD it has different endings. I like the one where he rams the camaro off the pier with the Pork Chop Express!!!!!

QUOTE (watchtower41 @ Jun 16, 2008 -> 01:42 PM) From some of the articles I am reading, this seems like its gonna be a lot longer than a simple 15 day stint for Paulie, but reading through this thread it seems like most people are taking it for granted that it will only be 15 days.... Any rhyme or reason to the projections? Usually, significant rib muscle strains keep hitters out for longer than 15 days. it just depends on the severity. It's impossible to swing a bat without pain with this injury. The muscles are very short, thick and multidirectional all factors contibuting to the length of time it takes for it to heal.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 13, 2008 -> 08:56 AM) In this day and age, booing somebody for (gasp) wanting to take another 20 million dollars to play elsewhere is naive, and borderline stupid actually. I agree. They should be able to get whatever they can. I don't begrudge any player for this. I'm just saying from working at the different ballparks fans tend to feel betrayed by the perception of greed and boo these players. That's why Thome gets booed in cleveland. He comes off as a good guy (which he is) but then leaves Cleveland for more money.

QUOTE (BearSox @ Jun 12, 2008 -> 09:20 PM) wow, the whole organization had great pitching today... all of the minor league affiliates and the White Sox gave up a total of 9 runs. However, all of them combined only scored 8 runs. We need some hitters! That can't be right. Our minor league system sucks and we have zero talent in it.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 13, 2008 -> 01:53 AM) Actually, I'd say Cleveland is a weird bunch...they booed Jim f***ing Thome. The only reason I'd ever boo Thome is if it were late in a season, he were on the Indians/Tigers/Twins/any other team preventing the Sox from a playoff appearance, and he had a clutch hit. It's not as if he did an inhumane thing; he took a much, much more lucrative offer from the Philadelphia Phillies rather than resigning with an Indians club that was in the middle of a rebuilding period, and then accepted a trade to the White Sox. He didn't ask to go to the White Sox, he just said he'd be OK with it. When the Sox traded Garland to Los Angeles, I'm sure he got a standing ovation for his previous experience with the Sox. I'd say, in that regard, the Sox are like the norm. Boo current players who suck (or any other number of circumstances), but if they did something very good for the team at one point in time or another or just left the team on good terms, they'll cheer them when they come back. If Scott Podsednik put on a Sox jersey tomorrow, I'd boo him out of town, but with a Rockies jersey, I'd cheer my ass off. Jim left the team on his own for more money. That will get alot of players boooed. Most fans don't like players who seem greedy and leave. It's mostly just Sox fans who blame management when guys like Ordonez leave for more money. Most fans on other teams blame the player. Like someone said earlier Sox fans are a fickle bunch. I for one don't boo anyone who is working thier rear off. I my boo a bad play but not the player everytime.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 12, 2008 -> 01:46 PM) Well, let's think about the OF situation next year. Assume Ozuna and Uribe are gone, that creates a slot for Getz, and presumably we still need 1 more backup infielder. In the OF...well, the big elder 3 of Konerko, Thome, and Dye matter here. If one of them is moved, then presumably Anderson slides back in to the full time starting role, and then we're left with Owens and Cook as 2 obvious options for the backup OF role. If we were to only carry an 11 man pitching staff next year to start the season, that would create room for 2 backup IF's and 2 backup OF's. i wouldn't assume Ozuna is gone. I think both Ozzie and KW like what he brings to the team. However, I think you're right and Uribe is gone and Getz could take his place.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 11, 2008 -> 11:45 PM) I kind of agree. I mean these guys still do pre game workouts, still take a million hacks in the cage, they just don't play in the games when they get "rested." A baseball game isn't that taxing physically, especially batting. Ripken was an all star every year and never took a day off. I don't know about this rest thing. But I do think what you say about Fields makes sense sort of. It's more the travel and the schedule that wears on the player than the game itself. Flying every three days with packing, buses to hotels and getting everything ready is taxing. as the trainer I would be at the park at 11-12 for a 7 game to take care of injuries and stretch or help the players work out. Get the players ready and the game lasts until 10 or 10:30. Spend from 10:30-11:30 looking at various minor injuries. Then need to get the players who work out after ready, if we were staying in town. Get back to the hotel at 1-2 to be back at the park at 11-12. If we had a midnight or 1 am flight to the next city we had to pack everything up quickly and get to the next hotel around 6-7 am depending on the length of the flight and get back to the park in only 4-5 hours. A day game after a night game is murder. What I'm saying is that while it isn't physically taxing or rough as football, ask anyone who travels for a living it is mentally taxing and the focus you need to hit a baseball is not there all of the time due to the schedule. this is where the amphetamines or "greenies" were effective.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 12, 2008 -> 12:01 PM) I may be in the minorty, but I think Getz is ready. I'd like to see him on the bench instead of Pablo at this stage. It can be very difficult for a player with no MLB experience to play only once a week and be effective. I don't know if I would do that in a season where we may be able to contend for a playoff spot.

QUOTE (whitesoxmanager @ Jun 11, 2008 -> 06:15 PM) man this season is utterly rediculous. isnt it amazing how you dont have to be great to win championships anymore. as long as you are not worse than your opponent and you got a shot. the NBA championships are pure evidence of that. i am assuming that Jim Thome will be the MVP of the world series at this rate. They're fixed anyway

QUOTE (whitesoxmanager @ Jun 11, 2008 -> 06:15 PM) man this season is utterly rediculous. isnt it amazing how you dont have to be great to win championships anymore. as long as you are not worse than your opponent and you got a shot. the NBA championships are pure evidence of that. i am assuming that Jim Thome will be the MVP of the world series at this rate. I would ok with that.

I was sitting in the scout seats for Javy's last start. He couldn't get a breaking pitch over for a strike. This is looking like the same. Everyone sitting on and killing the fastball. He was lucky the offense scored 10 runs the last time. It doesn't look like he will be that lucky this time.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 11, 2008 -> 09:43 AM) On a bruise? I don't believe the injury is a bruise. If you look at another thread, I believe the injury is a tenosynovitis called DeQuervain's Syndrome which is an inflammation of the synovial membrane and tendons of the thumb and wrist. It is also a condition that does not require surgery but can take a substantial amount of rest to heal.

One thing to consider is the decrease in PED use especially amphetamines. The older players stats will be worth watching for a decrease in performance during August and Sept. The energy drinks that are now prevalent in the dugouts will only go so far. These factors may require a closer look at rest but closer to the end of July and August. The nagging injuries may take a greater toll on the players.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 9, 2008 -> 11:00 AM) The main person who questioned his mechanics was someone on baseballprospectus or something along those lines who discussed his mechanics and questioned them. I also recall Bureau mentioning briefly Poreda's mechanics and how they would get in the way of him developing any additional secondary stuff. However, I don't think his mechanics would prevent him from adding a changeup to his repetoire as well as finding out additional ways to gain movement on his FB (he has a pretty good slider already). The one thing that could concern people are his very pedestrian strikeout numbers. For a guy who throw in the upper 90's, that is quite puzzling, but I am at least thinking the Sox player development people told him something and he's working on that (pitching to contact) as opposed to trying to blow away guys. Bureau discussed that fact that he doesn't reach the "7" during his arm swing. This is one way to evaluate mechanics. Others (including me) believe that it is not necessary and may actually be harmful to stress this during the throwing motion.