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QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 6, 2008 -> 07:38 PM) My dad talked to 4 different orthopedic surgeons last night (ironically, he's at a convention this wknd), and not one of them thinks a baseball hitter could return within 2 months of this type of surgery. Too much in the way of stress on the wrists of a baseball swing. They're right. The whole two week check thing is just to see how the healing is going. Of course, I've seen alot of professional sports clubs push athletes back well before they should be playing. They could just inject the wrist with xylocaine and let him play but I don't think the White Sox would do that.

QUOTE (chisoxdavid @ Sep 5, 2008 -> 09:24 PM) So there is still hope that Carlos can heal for the playoffs? Maybe the ALCS if they make it that far and if he gets all the breaks (pun intended) with healing. But I wouldn't count on it.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 5, 2008 -> 05:28 PM) Can someone confirm that they said no long-term damage is expected? There will be no long term effects unless there is a non-union fracture which with his age and health is very unlikely. The mechanism of hitting the bat is a likely scenario for the injury. Fracturing the scaphoid (the bone I think is involved) is done with a blow to the base of the palm. This would be like hitting the bat.

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Sep 5, 2008 -> 04:02 PM) Here is the story from the Sun-Times. Obviously, one of the Sox players told Cowley that CQ punched a locker. I fear that's what really happened. BY JOE COWLEY Staff Reporter Carlos Quentin's season appears to be over as the White Sox left fielder and MVP candidate suffered a fractured right wrist that will require surgery Monday, according to sources. It's not certain how Quentin suffered the injury, but speculation is he punched a locker in Boston. He was a late scratch before Monday's game in Cleveland and hasn't played since. Quentin has 36 home runs. The Sox have options to replace Quentin, including moving Ken Griffey Jr. from center to left field. And Nick Swisher would move to center. it's pretty difficult to injure the wrist punch a locker with a regular punch. Usually that hurts the bones in the back of the hand and is very apprearent. He would most likely need to punch with his palm for a wrist injury or have the bat hit it after throwing it down. The contact would need to be with his palm.

QUOTE (DABearSoX @ Sep 5, 2008 -> 04:03 PM) Damn ptatc...i got some questions about my knee for ya PM me for stuff not about the Sox. I've done it for a few.

QUOTE (forrestg @ Sep 5, 2008 -> 02:27 PM) i think we should go young move Alexei to center put getz in a second he is a good left hand hitting fielder that has good numbers against both righties and lefties. Keep Brian out there and our defense is better.. Power is gone a little but we need to start playing like pyranna and start taking the ball the way it is pitched.. Opposite field. It is amazing that a broken wrist is found 5 or six days after it was originally xrayed.. That doesn't make sense. Now a pin how incompetent is our med staff It's very common to miss certain types of fractures on X-rays. An MR scan or CT scan is necessary to find them.

QUOTE (hawksox13 @ Sep 5, 2008 -> 02:32 PM) ESPN says two weeks minimum, probably more. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3571240 the only way it's less than 1 month is that it is the hamate bone which fractured. This bone has a hook which goes around the ulnar nerve. It can fracture and needs to be removed. There is very little immobilization and little recovery time for that injury because the bone is removed. I have a feeling it's the previous one I mentioned.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 5, 2008 -> 02:30 PM) Long-term prognosis is? 100% recovery unless there is a non-union healing of the bone which in a guy his age and health is highly unlikely.

This injury sounds like a scaphoid fracture. The scaphoid is a small bone in the wrist at the base of the thumb. The reason they need to immobilize a small fracture is that the bone is peanut shaped and the blood vessel runs through the narrow protion. If it is not taken care of the lower part of the bone can die from a lack of blood. This will cause a decrease in the motion at the wrist which is what you DO NOT want to happen. These fracture are typically not seen on X-rays as they are too small. Usually MR or CT scans are needed. If this is the case, they will pin the bone to insure stability for 1-2 weeks then be in a cast or splint for 4-8 weeks to get a good callous for bone healing. i don't know if in fact this is the injury but by the description from reading here, that is the most logical injury Also, it was not from a HBP. This is his right wrist. He gets hit almost exclusively on the left arm, where his previous forearm injury was. It is very conceivable that he threw his bat and tried to catch it while the bat hit the wrist at the base of the thumb.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 3, 2008 -> 12:45 PM) I wonder if he should have taken the whole year off. Maybe nothing would have helped. If you have back surgery and play baseball, how can it not flare again? You are swinging the bat at BP all the time, bending all the time. I'd love to see a study on guys who have back surgery and continue playing baseball and football. How it holds up. Back problems typically do flare up occasionally. There are a number of guys who go back to playing baseball and football. The typical rehab time is 3-6 months. However, everyone reacts differently and most players will say that it takes 8-12 months before you feel "normal" again. I'm not sure what's going on with Crede but he really shouldn't be having the problems that he is havbing, if everything is right in his back. It may just be that he needs to get used to the way his back will feel but he just isn't comfortable with it and it may take the rest of the year.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Sep 2, 2008 -> 06:31 PM) Not against Cleveland. There's alot of bad signs. Our guys aren't hitting and Ozzie has found it suitable to play AAA players right now over the guys who have gotten us this far. Maybe the players are a little more beat up than the team has been admitting to. I don't think Ozzie would not start them over "the guys who got us here" without a reason.

QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Sep 2, 2008 -> 02:38 PM) From what I seen he has a new delivery as well. He is looking more at the catcher on his release than the ground as he use to. I didn't see the game. Did his velocity drop with a different delivery?

QUOTE (Steff @ Aug 30, 2008 -> 03:14 PM) Hopefully it does not exceed their expectations. Agreed. My brother who lives in MS said there has been an hour wait at any gas station since Thursday.

Great. We get to face an pitcher making his MLB debut. Knowing our history, we won't get a hit until the 7th. Could be another long game.

Looks like they found no structural damage to the elbow ligaments. That leaves either some overuse of the flexor muscles of the elbow or numbness coming from another source (neck or wrist). The projected timeline is for him to return just after we see him. Too bad he didn't discover it while pitching to the White Sox.

QUOTE (earthshiner @ Aug 29, 2008 -> 12:11 PM) yeah, he has turned things around. He still should have been benched back in July. This is one of the great dilemmas in baseball. He was playing poorly so he should be benched. You cannot get out of a slump sitting on a bench. So, if you bench him July, you don't have him playing well now.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 29, 2008 -> 09:02 AM) So what do you get superman for his birthday? Lois Lane or a new set of tights. (or both)

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 29, 2008 -> 09:42 AM) I don't see this as a winning combination. What will she even talk about in the debates? Caribou? Drilling for oil in a National Wildlife Preserve??????

QUOTE (lostfan @ Aug 29, 2008 -> 08:35 AM) It's funny to me that now I'm the same age as young baseball players seeing their first MLB action or the guys who get called up later than others. I'm a few months older than Quentin, and me and Anderson are about a month apart. Until recently baseball players were always older than me. I'm already a few years older than NFL rookies, since they are 21 or 22. lol. I'm an adult. Actually this kind of sucks. Is it possible to stay at this age indefinitely? Wait until you're older than some of the managers and you remember HOFs when they broke into the MLB.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Aug 28, 2008 -> 03:31 PM) I think Buck Martinez made an interesting point in the last series. He said that "everyone" knows that tingling and numbness in your hand is a sure sign you need elbow surgery. He said it as if it's an after thought that Beckett would be going under the knife. Makes the sawks very vulnerable. The most common reason for the numbness and tingling is the ulnar nerve getting stretched. This happens because the ulnar collateral ligament (on the inside of the elbow) gets too loose. This is the common "Tommy John" scenario. However, it is by no means the only reason. There is a problem up a the neck called thoracic outlet syndrome which can pinch either the nerves or the arteries going down the arm. For the old timers, this is what happened to Richard dotson and the surgreons removed a muscle called the pectoralis minor to relieve the compression. The condition does not always need surgery. As Martinez said though the elbow is the most common cause and it usually requires surgery.

QUOTE (letsgoarow @ Aug 28, 2008 -> 04:09 PM) Josh Beckett has been scratched from his scheduled start Friday and is scheduled to see Dr. James Andrews. No details yet, but Beckett must have had more tingling in his hand yesterday and/or today. His bullpen session Tuesday reportedly went fine, causing him to be penciled in for Friday. The Red Sox figure to place him on the DL and call up someone -- perhaps David Pauley -- to start Friday. That's good for the Sox. However, I hate to see it for him. I worked with him at Kane County when he came out of high school. He was like "Nuke" Laloosh. He hit the mascot as much as the strike zone. And he threw HARD. He is a good kid.

QUOTE (Texsox @ Aug 28, 2008 -> 08:00 AM) Most states have "right to work" laws on the books. Plus, most of the time the parties involved just do not care when it gets to that level. The only area I ahve heard of it being enforced was when a group of sales reps left to start their own company and took clients with them. Then the suit was like a pitchfork. Theft of trade secrets, fraud, the non comps, etc. Even then, with those guys basically putting their employer out of business, very little happened to them. A couple of clinics I worked at had me sign a non-compete clause that I could not open my own clinic within 10 miles. I don't know if it could've been enforced, since I didn't want the hassle of starting my own clinics I really didn't care.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 28, 2008 -> 11:29 AM) Good starters are more valuable than relievers correct? Take out your point of his elbow which none of us know much about and many opinions state that its better for the pitchers arm to throw on regular rest. Lets say Jenks came out and had a Ryan Dempster type year, then would it be worth it? He's had the workload before, he just wasnt a pitcher, he was a thrower who didnt have command nor any knowhow on how to use his stuff. And the reason its being considered is because this is a message board. It is usually better for a pitcher to have the regular work and not have the up and down, starting and stopping of a reliever. However, in ths case with the history of stress fx and the screw, I don't think it would be advisable to load up the number of pitches on the arm. The screw can work its way out or even break with stress. Remember Cal Eldred he had a great first half for the Sox one year, then a screw would work its way lose and he wasn't the same. I think he tried to pitch again with St. Louis but he was never the same.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 04:47 PM) Also, 5th starter for next year should be a question mark as well. My Vote: Bobby Jenks returns to his roots as a starter. The screw in his elbow would explode.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Aug 25, 2008 -> 02:59 AM) Scott's homer was one of the most magical moments in Sox history. Rowand and Anderson's reactions just added to moment. I was about 9 seats from where it landed. I'll never forget that feeling of being frozen and wet then all of a sudden it was if the sun came out. The White Sox had one another WS game and the noise was so loud it was quiet.