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QUOTE(DBAH0 @ May 11, 2005 -> 09:53 AM) Probably because they want him to stay starting down at Charlotte. It's not like we need another Neal Cotts situation again. Also he's still not that ready yet (Cheat said 1.5 HR's given up per start) so he's still got some small things to work on. Also you waste another option, and start the arbitration process earlier, so there are a lot of factors to consider. In other words ... it doesn't make sense to bring up BMac at this point.

QUOTE(ISF @ May 11, 2005 -> 08:42 AM) I have no problem with him trading a couple of the pitchers, I'm not judging him for that. IMO, he needed to keep Hudson, not Zito. That's the decision I think he erred in making. He didn't make a very good trade of Hudson either. On just that level, Hudson vs Zito, I agree with you. Now let's go to another level. Would Atlanta have accepted Zito instead of Hudson? Was there an offer on the table from anyone else that was an appropriate offer? Was there any difference in Hudson's salary as opposed to Zito's? Freeing up more salary would, in turn, increase Beane's team building options. I don't know the answer to any of these questions, but you have to look beyond which pitcher you'd rather keep.

Bowa claims Hawkins was tipping his pitches

QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ May 11, 2005 -> 02:23 AM) A new poll shows Conservatives have 4 point lead http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...1_5/?hub=Canada Freakin' polls

QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 11, 2005 -> 05:08 AM) Nothing, just giving you a link where you can watch the replay for yourself. Oh hell. I'm sorry ... I meant to put one of these .... .... on that last post.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 11, 2005 -> 04:53 AM) It was a suicide squeeze. Watch the replay at WhiteSox.com. Crede was running as the pitcher was throwing the ball. Yes. My original statement was wrong. I said I hadn't seen the play and nothing I had read indicated otherwise. What more do you want?

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 10, 2005 -> 07:43 PM) Wow, What are the Phillies looking for? Those two would fit on the Sox perfectly. That's the exact thought that went through my mind when I read it.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 11, 2005 -> 04:10 AM) It WAS a suicide squeeze... http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/Texas_leaguer It was a suicide squeeze because Crede was running for home even before Iguchi successfully laid down the bunt. He was taking the risk (of suicide ), if Iguchi didn't get the bunt down successfully. If Iguchi doesn't get the bunt down, Crede is most likely dead-to-rights. Crede had to attempt a suicide squeeze because he is far too slow to try a safety squeeze. I hadn't seen the play. Based on everything I had read about it, nothing was said that indicated it was a suicide. And, oh, for the record .... I'm well aware of the difference between a suicide and a safety squeeze.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 11, 2005 -> 04:15 AM) So Wagner isn't more of a sure thing than Gio Gonzalez? Come on... I didn't say that. Just used the Koch example to point out that things can backfire .... badly. I'm not even saying you are wrong. Hell, I've used the same arguments you are presenting now. What I'm thinking is that KW has tried this approach in past, without success. I'm thinking he's taking a slower steadier long term approach, than he has done before.

I noticed neither Drew nor Weaver made that list. I figured the Yankees would take either one, if still available.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 10, 2005 -> 09:31 AM) And he might not. But for people to base that off of just 25 days in the majors, and throwing out what he has done in the minors, is just retarded. Way too many of our posters do that to way too many of our kids when they come up and struggle.

Good read.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 11, 2005 -> 04:01 AM) I honeslty don't think Beane is trying to win anything this year. Afterall, he had the Big Three and better lineups in the past and didn't win anything. Do you think he really expects to win anything this season? His moves were made with the future in mind. Exactly. He's laying the foundation this year. However, if he's got a shot at it, he'll take it if can do so without destroying that foundation.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 11, 2005 -> 04:04 AM) Bingo... Good, established talent (i.e. Billy Wagner) > prospects (i.e. Gio Gonzalez) Do you know if Gio Gonzalez is going to be a stud in the majors? Nope. Do you know what you are going to get from Billy Wagner? Yep. No, you don't know what you are going to get from Wagner. Based on what? His record? See Billy Koch.

Why do the Twins make the playoffs? --- Because they always have good young productive prospects they can bring up and replace guys with when needed. Why do the Twins always lose in the playoffs? --- Because they can't afford to get the star player to get you over the hump. Looks to me like if we keep our good prospects, we'll have the flexibility and the cash to get those star players. That's an advantage we have over the Twins that we haven't put to use as of yet. We've traded our kids and haven't built from within very much. Time to start doing that, then we can buy the missing pieces because young talent is also cheap talent.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ May 11, 2005 -> 03:28 AM) So would you prefer to keep Sweeney or Anderson? Anderson is more progressed and definitely the better and most ready player, but Sweeney has more potential and could easily hit over .300 in the majors. I'd have to see them play before making that call. I don't think he'll trade either one of them, though.

QUOTE(rangercal @ May 11, 2005 -> 03:21 AM) Agreed with Beltran. Its just the chance some teams have to take to get to the ultimate goal. If we are gonna go swimming, we have to jump in with a splash (wagner) not dip our foot and back away cause it's too cold. I really believe that KW has decided to keep BMac, Sweeney and Anderson. I doubt that he'll move these guys. He'd have to overwhelmed to consider it. Just my opinion.

QUOTE(ISF @ May 10, 2005 -> 04:57 PM) I think Beane made the wrong choice on his pitching. Between that and Chavez' inexplicable slump, the A's are hurting as a result. I don't think it's fair to judge Beane's decision until about this time next season. Branch Rickey had a saying .... It's better to trade them one year too early than one year too late. With that in mind, if Beane would have kept Hudson and Mulder for one more year, he would have gotten nothing but draft picks for them. Instead, he got some good young ballplayers to build around. I expected Oakland to struggle this year, but they are hanging close. Beane might be able to make a move in July to get them headed to the top again.

I've had this arguement too many times. On to the next thread .....

QUOTE(aboz56 @ May 10, 2005 -> 09:45 PM) Look at the standings and our record in one run games. Then look in the mirror because you'll see someone who is totally wrong on this. Bingo. 100% correct.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ May 11, 2005 -> 02:44 AM) And that's a definite 100% chance of occuring. Maybe some other team acquires Mesa for the stretch run, and we see him choke again, or maybe we don't. We acquire Wagner, give up one of Anderson, Sweeney or B-Mac, we miss the playoffs, and Wagner leaves as a FA after the season. That's a big, big loss. Whether it's 100% chance of happening or not, I don't want to take the chance on someone who has already choked in that situation. If we get to a game 7, with the lead, we better win the damn thing!

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ May 11, 2005 -> 02:29 AM) That's just your point of view on him. People are always going to be wary because of what's happened before his stint in Pittsburgh. But a guy who has an ERA 2.45 with 11 out of 11 save chances, who could be available cheaply, should be looked at. Who even says Wagner is going to be available anyway? Philly can turn it around with the players they've got. Also Wagner is a FA after this season, if we give up some uber prospects for him, and he doesn't resign, it's the Freddy Garcia trade gone bad. What happened before Pittsburg was the "deer in the headlights" look he had in Game 7 of the '97 World Series. He cost Cleveland that Series. No thanks. I'd rather have a guy that wants the ball in that situation, not someone who'll choke.

QUOTE(UofIChiSox @ May 11, 2005 -> 12:56 AM) Yeah, there's no way that an ump crew could get away with screwing us over consistently. In fact, they might be more inclined to rule in our favor if in doubt about a particular play to make sure they aren't called on the carpet again.

QUOTE(3E8 @ May 11, 2005 -> 01:01 AM) He was bunting for a base hit. Exactly. From what I understand, that play was not called by Ozzie. It certainly wasn't a suicide squeeze, either. Though, I do now notice Irish said nothing about a suicide squeeze, just a squeeze.