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Awesome. I really like that he put the Sox cap on after winning.

Just read the article. I hope Ozzie doesn't change a bit. The only thing that really struck me as odd from that article were the numbers and how Ozzie and his family thought they played a significant part in the title run. I'm not a big believer in things like that, and it seems like coincedence to me, but just in case, let's hope Game 4, 5, 6, or 7 of the World Series is scheduled for October 26th this year.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Feb 18, 2006 -> 11:42 AM) Now you're just putting words in other peoples' mouths. That was never said. That was never even implied. Amazing. Really? QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Feb 16, 2006 -> 03:21 PM) I just don't see how it would even be possible for Cutler to have better intangibles, and I don't view him as nearly the QB prospect Leinart is. Cutler probably has more upside than Leinart, but there's no guarantee whatsoever with Cutler being a productive QB. Leinart almost assuredly will be a solid NFL QB in the future. QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Feb 16, 2006 -> 05:53 PM) I agree with nearly everything said there, and, I'll even take it one step further...I can't see how anyone can say at this juncture that Cutler has more upside. How do you explain that then? Are you saying I'm "putting words into your mouth" because my wording was a bit different than yours?

I can't see this happening. Maybe this is for spring training only?

QUOTE(whitesoxin' @ Feb 18, 2006 -> 12:26 AM) Ironically some guy said the Wagner signing was the best move of the offseason. Jayson Stark of Eastern Sports Predominantly Noted said that.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Feb 17, 2006 -> 03:24 PM) Let's hold it against a guy for winning. Not at all, but certianly don't hold it against a guy for being surrounded by crappy talent and thus losing more often. If you like Leinart more than Cutler, that's fine, but to say that Cutler isn't even in Leinart's class is just stupid. Cutler is extremely talented, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if he turns out to be a better QB than Leinart.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Feb 16, 2006 -> 03:21 PM) Kerry Collins has been an above average QB and also QB'ed a team to the Super Bowl...the Giants were friggin destroyed by the Ravens, but that's besides the point. I just think it's wrong that you discredit Leinart because he played on a talented team...I don't think anyone is suggesting he'll be the best QB in the league, but becoming a top 10 QB in the league is not out of the question, and leading his team and winning a lot of games is something I could easily see him doing. I also see a little Steve Young in Matt Leinart, and I don't think it's just because they were both left-handed(though that helps ) How, exactly, is he on an equal level when it comes to intangibles? Perhaps Cutler has better tools...better arm, same accuracy, same mobility...but he didn't win s*** in college. Leinart lost twice. I just don't see how it would even be possible for Cutler to have better intangibles, and I don't view him as nearly the QB prospect Leinart is. Cutler probably has more upside than Leinart, but there's no guarantee whatsoever with Cutler being a productive QB. Leinart almost assuredly will be a solid NFL QB in the future. How can you say it's wrong to discredit Leinart because he was on a talented team, then turn around and discredit Cutler for not being on a talented team? Yes, Leinart only lost 2 games in college, but he was on one of the most talented teams in college football history. Put just about any Divison I-A QB talent in that situation and they're going to succeed (maybe not to the extent that Leinart did, but they'd do well). Cutler was at Vanderbilt, aka one of the worst Division I-A teams that also happens to play in the best collegiate football conference. Cutler had almost nothing to work with on his team and was facing far more talented teams every week, but still managed to pull out 5 wins, including 3 in the SEC. This is a program that considers 2 wins a good season. Put Leinart on Vanderbilt and Cutler on USC, and you're probably talking about how Cutler is guaranteed to be a solid NFL QB, while Leinart is a risk. QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Feb 16, 2006 -> 05:53 PM) I can't see how anyone can say at this juncture that Cutler has more upside. It's a little thing called supporting cast. The discrepancy in talent between Leinart's supporting cast and Cutler's supporting cast are about the same as the discrepancy in talent on the Chicago White Sox compared to the talent on the Winston-Salem Warthogs.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Feb 15, 2006 -> 04:20 PM) A championship in 04 and runner ups in 05 since that draft. I don't think they're regretting anything. I didn't say they were a bad team, just that they used that pick wrong. If they had picked Carmelo, they could've used him as bait to get Wallace, and probably given up less than they did. As it stands, they got almost nothing out of a #2 overall pick.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Feb 15, 2006 -> 12:59 AM) Oh, BTW...Leinart will have 5 O-Lineman starting in the NFL next year, 1 HB that will be starting, a decent starting TE, and 2 starting wide receivers. He was playing in an NFL offensive system at USC, so he knows some of the basics of the NFL playbooks, and will just have to learn how to read NFL defenses. The point of my argument there was that the talent around him had a GREAT DEAL to do with his success at USC, and it did. Not many college QBs have 3 NFL starting quality OL, 2 NFL starting quality RBs, 2 NFL starting quality WRs, and an NFL quality TE to work with while they're in college. The fact that the talent around him was much better than the talent the opposition could possibly throw out there might end up being a bad thing for his pro career (see: Kerry Collins). QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Feb 15, 2006 -> 12:59 AM) I personally think it's just a bit silly to say that Cutler is the same player as Leinart, only with better arm strength to go along with it...either Cutler is the god of college QBs, or Leinart blows ass is kinda what it comes off as. Actually, my point was that Leinart is a very good QB prospect, but Cutler is a better QB prospect IMO, because he has the arm strength Leinart lacks, and he's pretty much on an equal level when it comes to "intangibles".

I said it in 2003 and I'll say it again now: the Pistons will regret taking Darko Milicic. Now it appears they are.

I'd have to nominate 5 games, because they were all such great performances: -Mark Buehrle's Complete Game against Seattle. 3 hit shutout with 12 Ks in under 2 hours. it doesn't get much better than that for a pitcher. -Freddy Garcia's near perfect game in Minnesota. Unbelievable game by Freddy goes to waste because the offense can't put up even one run for him. -Jon Garland's back to back home outings against Baltimore & Texas. In both games, Garland was up 3-2 in the bottom of the 7th, facing one of the best middle infield hitters in the league (Tejada & Soriano, respectively) with runners on 1st and 3rd, 2 outs, and a 3-2 count. Both times he threw the sickest changeup I've ever seen (it looked like a 2-seam changeup if that's possible) to strike the batter out, then walked off the mound calm and composed. -Brandon McCarthy's Labor Day game against Boston. A game the Sox sent the B squad to play, Brandon brought nothing but his A game, shutting down the Red Sox in Fenway for 7 innings, allowing only 3 hits and a walk while striking out 7, and earning a 5-3 win in a game many thought the Sox were basically conceding.

Cutler = Leinart + arm strength Leinart may have had as much success as humanly possible in college, but he had 3 OL that will be starting in the NFL next year (Justice, Lutui, Matua), 2 RBs that will be start in the NFL next year (Bush, White), a TE who will be at least 2nd on some team's depth chart next year (Byrd) and 2 WRs who will probably be starting in the NFL in 2007 (Jarrett, Smith). Who did Cutler have at Vanderbilt? A bunch of borderline D-I players, yet he led those players to 5 wins in the SEC, which was arguably the toughest conference in the country. He has the arm strength that Leinart doesn't, and all the intangibles Leinart has. That's why the nation is "in-love" with Cutler.

QUOTE(DukeNukeEm @ Feb 11, 2006 -> 11:18 PM) Great reply. I can tell you put a lot of thought into that.

QUOTE(DukeNukeEm @ Feb 11, 2006 -> 12:09 PM) Yea. Because its so easy to watch a Memphis game on TV... DeAngelo Williams is by far the hardest back to grade out, everybody makes up some BS like hes an All Purpose Back or something like that because its what he looks like. You'd think if he played on a stage like Memphis hed come off to be a player who's on a completely different level... he isnt. You watch Bush, LenDale, Maroney... who play on bigger stages against tougher competition and they still look like they are on a whole different level. I'd love to rank Williams down at like 6 behind Calhoun, but people would just be like "Oh, youre so stupid, Scott Wright has both Jimmy Williams AND DeAngelo Williams high on his rankings, you dont. Idiot" Do you think you're the only one that watches CFB and everyone else just looks at what the experts think? If you do, then you've become what you seem to suddenly love to call everyone else. By the way, why do you think I'm "making up some BS" when I call him an All-Purpose back? When I watched him play, I saw some great receiving skills and some great blocking skills, which makes him an All-Purpose Back in my book. When the experts that you so despise (that have probably seen every prospect out there play more than the whole of this board combined) agreed with what my eyes were telling me, all it told me was that I didn't see a fluke, which the one game you watched may have been (even though he probably got well over 100 yards in the game). So, you say you don't want people to call you stupid because of the way your rankings, but you call others stupid because of the way their rankings because they don't agree with yours. Isn't that hypocrisy?

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Feb 9, 2006 -> 07:16 AM) So is that Francisco Liriano or Felix Hernandez we're gettin then? I know that's sarcastic, but I wish one of those GMs was stupid enough to do it.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Feb 9, 2006 -> 01:37 PM) Good point on Faulk, but take a look at what Stephen Jackson does next year in St. Louis and you'll see my point. Martz has simply got tired of the running game, he just wants to pass all day now. Which is why it's a good idea to have him as an OC. Giving him the HC job gives him complete control, and no one can tell him to stop throwing the ball. Now that he's under someone again, his pass/run ratio should look sane, and he'll start to look like a genius again. Anyone would be stupid to give him another chance as a HC though.

QUOTE(DukeNukeEm @ Feb 10, 2006 -> 06:27 PM) Whenver I ask people why they like D. Williams over LenDale they always regurgitate some crap from NFLDraftCountdown or Kiper. I saw Williams ONCE, live, in person... and though he played very well... I wasnt like blown away by him. I was blown away by White in the Rose Bowl (biggest stage possible) and very impressed every other time I watched USC. Well, here's why I'd rank DeAngelo ahead of LenDale, and this is from my head, not something anyone else has said. DeAngelo is an APB, whereas LenDale is a RB. DeAngelo has great receiving and blocking skills and had FAR less to work with at Memphis, where he set an NCAA record with 34 straight games over 100 yards rushing. LenDale was never the feature back at USC, was basically used in running situations only (he was the predominant goal line back, but never got the bulk of the touches at RB otherwise), and ran behind one of the best lines in the country, which includes 2 potential 1st round pick (Justice, Lutui) and 3 lineman who will probably start in the NFL in 2006 (Justice, Lutui, Matua). That might be similar to what you've heard/read, but it came from my head.

Addy, where's Joseph Addai on your RB rankings? He'll be a really good APB for some team in the near future. I'd probably put him ahead of Mo Drew the way your rankings are set up, but I'd also have DeAngelo ahead of LenDale.

Indianapolis Colts 1-30 LB Ernie Sims, Florida State 2-62 S Greg Blue, Georgia 3-94 RB Brian Calhoun, Wisconsin I would've pick Mo Drew or Joseph Addai in round 2, but they were ranked too high.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Feb 2, 2006 -> 06:52 PM) Tambi Hall over Mario Williams? Laurence Maroney and LenDale White ahead of DeAngelo Williams?

QUOTE(DukeNukeEm @ Feb 2, 2006 -> 06:29 PM) #3 behind Huff. Jimmy Williams not ranked. Actually, Charles Gordon is #3, but how do you not have Jimmy Williams ranked at CB or S? He's a lock as a 1st round pick.

Well, I would love to see Greenway fall to the Colts. I doubt he will though. By the way, where is Antonio Cromartie in your CB rankings?

Those RB and OLB rankings are crazy (Give me Chad Greenway ahead of most every OLB but Hawk and how do you have Reggie at #2 among RBs). Surprised at Hali ahead of Super Mario as well.

It's hard to expect much more from a team than a .667 win%, so I voted 16-17.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jan 31, 2006 -> 02:57 AM) As I've said before, it's a Sox town where it counts. Think Cubs fan wouldn't trade being more popular for a World Series title? Not to mention a legitimate chance to do it again? The ones who are fans of the team would. The ones who are fans of the stadium and atmosphere wouldn't.