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I just can't imagine a world where even if you liked Jason this is the thing that pushes you over the edge on your fandom. It's like your basement is flooded, there's a fire in the kitchen, and you're worried about the squeaky front door.

Sure, but listen to them over 140 games, with 80 of those games being losses. We'll see. Familiarity breeds contempt.

Meh.

That's a coach that coaches the Major Leagues.

Wow they finally s%*# canned Boston. We mean business!

This is a good hire, objectively. He's worked with clubs much more successful at hitting than Chicago and doesn't bring baggage with him off field or anything.

That's about where I'm at. There's nothing we do well, and we do a bunch of stuff at a bottom 1/3 level in the league. There's really nothing other than Colson that I'm excited about around the Sox.

I agree he's gonna cut payroll back to bottom 1\2 while the lackeys in the front office sell the fans on a retool and hypothetical future spending when the team is "ready".

The devil you know is often better than the one you don't. Those guys will be replaced with AAAA filler for the most part and or they do something utterly ridiculous like bring up Colson in May.

I feel they are cutting payroll for the most part. The chances they replace TAs projected 1.5 WAR with someone better is slim. That said we are far from winning anything other than last place with or without TA.

I really don't GAF. I'm glad he's gone. He had some awesome moments he also contributed to one of the most embarrassing and horrific seasons we've seen on the South Side. He'll probably have one more good year sandwiched in between a lot of 1 WAR years and injuries.

I'm pretty sure MLB cares about the ratings, but the rest of your post I give respect to, as if you're gonna go contrarian at least make it well thought out.

MLB is shitting bricks at the possibility of Dbacks eliminating the Dodgers and an all Texas ALCS. Personally I wouldn't watch a single minute of either series. Zero interest.

If we're just gonna suck (not spend any money) I'd just give DH to Sheets. If we're "retooling" who knows. It does speak volumes that we don't really even have decent DH out of Vaughn, Sheets and Eloy. That's a lot of draft and prospect capital that didn't pan out.

@Balta1701the money isn't mine, so I don't really care if 160 million, 170 million gets us a "retool" and a 82 win projection. I just don't want to sit through another 90+ loss season as a fan. I don't really have the stomach for a tank season, stealth or otherwise. We've had what, 4 of those in the last 7? That's enough.

I don't hate that at all. If we're trying a "retool" your players in are about as good as we could hope.

Change for change's sake is rarely smart but you make a good point here. Just turning over some of the roster might lead to a new better direction.

Almost said 1.5, but I gave a full share to Clevinger as whatever my thoughts are on his off field s%*# he did have a solid year.

I def like the idea of trading Eloy for a couple A ball lotto tickets pichers or a scrap heap type prospect that is coming off injury or poor performance. We are not in a contention window, we aren't magically adding 20 WAR in the offseason. We need to start finding the next 4 guys that are going to be part of a solid rotation. Right now we might have 2 average or better SP in the entire org.

Good arguments and after reading them I agree, look to trade Eloy, just keep Vaughn and hope he turns from a pumpkin into a prince. @The Mighty Mite with all due respect, the only number that matters for Vaughn is wRC+ and he finished at 103. 20HR from your butcher at 1B when he's not getting on base enough is nothing to write home about. RBIs, yea, maybe Hawk likes them still.

It's true they aren't blocking anybody but I'm really not convinced either guy is anything more than a 1 WAR player. It's a real bummer.

They combined for .7 fWAR. They were a staggering -27 runs below average defensively, even for players on the wrong side of the defensive spectrum adjustment that's impressive suck. Both guys actually outperformed their expected wOBA by half a dozen or so points each, so it wasn't like it was bad luck holding their batting lines back. Eloy had an average launch angle of 5.7 degrees, one of the worst of any MLB regular. Vaughn was at 11.2 but "warning track power" describes his game pretty well. Neither guy had an ISO to write home about, Eloy had .169 and Vaughn .171. Those are power numbers you'd expect from a decent 2B, not glorified designated hitters. Vaughn is certainly not an extension candidate and Eloy has club options for '25 and '26 at 16.5 million and 18.5 million respectively. Those are almost certainly not getting picked up. So in essence Eloy is under contract for next season and then that's it. Vaughn will stay cheap for a bit longer, but if he's replacement level, uh, who cares. Do you trade Eloy at rock bottom value? Or maybe hope he runs into a few next summer and you can get something better at the deadline? Do you pencil in Vaughn as the starter at 1B again given that he's shown no ability to be an average MLB player? There's more time to decide with him than Eloy, but again, replacement level play even when cheap isn't doing anybody any good. IMO I'd just trade both guys for whatever table scraps you can get and reboot. I don't really see how the Sox contend next year in any universe you might as well just start clearing dead wood and there is an opportunity cost keeping these guys around. There's really nothing in either guy's athletic or batted ball profile that screams "massive upside". Even if Vaughn starts to hit he's still a god awful 1B and even if Eloy starts to hit he's still an injury prone DH. Maybe he puts it together one season but it's not something the Sox need to worry about given how far they are from contending if he puts up a 4 fWAR season in 2024.