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damn you archived my dumb three beers in post after I deleted.

Same ownership group gave Jabari Parker 40 million :-)

He'll still be subject to the penalty WAR gives for being a DH and his WAR will still be almost 100% dependent on his slash line.

Yea but Jose doesn't have a "team" that reports to him and then he gets bonuses based on being a great leader and such in charge of widget quality control with the best ratio of good widgets to bad widgets in the history of the company under his watch. Leadership and mentor-ship and guidance matter, but you can't measure them in baseball. And if you can't measure it...

The list is long.

Thanks for the debate strong opinions make good message board posters. I just bust your chops 'cause I respect you as a poster, apathy is what I reserve for gre...others.

I'm using abstractions and conditions in arguing future events which granted some people struggle to comprehend. There is a non zero chance a 35 year old Jose Abreu is replacement level in 2022. I'm not arguing there is a 100% chance. I'm arguing there is a chance. Probably about 1/3 given historical aging curves for similar players. Given that the club has never, ever shown a willingness to cut bait on "franchise favs" historically it's a very real hypothetical situation that they will be stuck with a bad player they won't move on from. You misrepresented my position on Jose as I was quite happy when he accepted the QO. The risk isn't the AAV it's the years. Amazingly they didn't even manage to lower the AAV and handed out the years. It's an irrational baseball move you can't defend on baseball terms and everybody in this thread knows it was an order on high from JR to lock this guy up and have him retire a Sox.

There is very good chance that it's not the money that fucks the Sox it's fielding a replacement level DH in what should be a contending year. The Sox are not going to DFA Jose Abreu even if he's hitting 180/220/400 in late July 2022. And it very well could cost them a pennant, playoff birth, or even WS title. So it's not just the money it's opportunity cost and a roster spot. When your best defense of this deal is "well it probably won't matter" you should re-evaluate your position.

Every take you have that includes a personal anecdote from your widget industry is dumb and you should feel bad for it. MLB teams don't operate in any comparable way to other large corporations. For starters, name another industry where you're guaranteed a profit just for being in the protected club? The Mob I guess. It's a legal cabal. The economics are not applicable to your industry or any other.

I'm pretty firmly of the opinion Vaugh is going to be slashing 280/370/500 in AA in July and force their hand in 2021. For me another puzzling aspect of this deal is not having confidence in the guy you just invested a 3rd overall pick.

It's like going all in pre flop without even looking at your hand. WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU NOT JUST WAIT UNTIL YOU KNOW HIS 2019 PERFORMANCE TO OFFER HIM MORE YEARS??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I'd feel a helluva lot better about this move if I could lock Jose in at DH for 130 games next year. There's no reason for his bum ass to be playing 1B. The Sox obviously want to help their young pitchers, hence the Grandal plan and how they had him evaluate how he could help before the signing. So how about you get someone that isn't a statue at 1B? Jose turns balls to his left into doubles and even triples that rattle around in the corner entirely too often. A good 1B will save 10 runs next year over Jose.

Hahn the cuck. Hey you get this title of GM but you don't have 100% say on baseball ops you get the owner to hand out overpays, you still want the gig? Sure.

JFC. Cult of personality.

I'd hazard an educated guess that it's about 100. Replacement level DH. He's under performed his projections two years running. So you need to be quite optimistic to think he'll get 6+ war. Ray that you can think the Bulls reward "toxic loyalty" and the Sox don't when KW is still out here being VP and making public comments and obviously is having a major role is just absolutely absurd.

Well he's projected by STEAMER for about 5, so I'm sure it will work great.

The offered him the QO only to hand him 3 years 50 million and 18 million 2022 guaranteed. It boggles the fucking mind.

This is pro sports tho, which doesn't work like the "real world" where interpersonal relations are big and keeping a sales guy that has them is important. This is sports, production is the only thing that matters and in baseball that's what you do when your spot is up in the order and the ball is hit to you in the field. One needs to only look across town to the Bulls to see how rewarding loyalty (hello Jim Boylen!) works.

Stop defending shitty process because they might get away with it. You don't get away with shitty process over a long time frame. See the last 15 years on the South Side.

Bingo. And saying "I wouldn't be surprised to see an uptick" based on a cherry picked Konerko is pretty lame as well. I'd also say there's a good chance he gets fat and happy now that he knows he doesn't have to worry about producing and he's basically set for life given this contract and what he's already made.

Every shit contract Hahn hands out adds up. And he hands them out like a stay at home big diamond ring on her finger blond mom gives out oranges at 4H soccer.

There was zero fucking reason other than JR rewards loyalty, not performance.

2 steps forward 1 back. So fucking typical of this franchise. Jesus Christ. There is about a 50% chance you're paying a REPLACEMENT LEVEL DH 18 million in 2022. FFS. Hahn sure loves lighting money on fire in FA.

Keep McCann. Having two legit catchers is huge for a team that lacks depth elsewhere and Grandal is so good against lefties he can be used as a 1B/DH twice a week.

Nova will make an excellent 6th starter mop up guy next year if he wants to continue as a Sox and the price is right.