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QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 05:19 AM) maybe that is the best they were going to get. i think the ss was the key to the trade. that pitcher isn't bad either. QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 09:10 AM) People fawn over these veteran hitters, but the As got a pretty good and very young 3B ( if he can stay on the field), a 4/5 starter that they can probably make look like a 3 in their ballpark (it's happened many times before) and a very good SS prospect. Not the greatest return in the world, but not bad either. Why exactly did the A's have to trade this guy if the return "Isn't bad"? Now I'm actually annoyed that we couldn't put together a package for Donaldson.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 28, 2014 -> 07:48 PM) Proving collusion in his case seems pretty tough. Terrible last year, lots of miles, legal problems. That alone right there is enough for any team to say thanks but no thanks, I don't see how they could prove all teams decided collectively to not sign him If someone had a severe injury and were right on the bubble maybe this year they risk it, but i'd guess someone will give him a shot next June if he has good workouts, and frankly that's fair.

WTF? Beane is in "Late career Kenny Williams mode" right now in my eyes.

QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 28, 2014 -> 06:43 PM) pls clarify are you saying that it is too much to give up or not enuf? I mean I think of Viciedo as completely worthless. If I were an opposing GM I would not give up anything for him unless it removed a salary I didn't want on my roster.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 28, 2014 -> 05:44 PM) Again, I don't believe this will be the last move. But I don't think they'll make moves as if it is a a 2 year window either. (which is all the Sox will have if they keep Alexei, trade top prospects for Jay Bruce, various rents, etc. as people on here suggest). This team won 73 games, and it's not like you can point to a bunch of injuries or inexplicably down years. These short term moves to power up the team at the cost of prospects will put the Sox in 85 win purgatory. I hope they make an aggressive move to get the young outfielder in here (by trading Alexei). I hope they sign a moderate starter (like Hammel) and pick up another reliever to get this team to .500. And then I'll wait a season, maybe 2, for the minor league pitching to get ready and hopefully Anderson. See, keeping Alexei doesn't make this a "2 year window" since it's entirely possible that Alexei could leave as a FA and the White Sox would have a highly touted shortstop prospect ready to step in for him. Anderson's starting AA this year, so if he were to take over the role in 2017, that would actually be taking their time with him. If the team around him was good enough, you could probably be competitive with a rookie shortstop and be pretty happy about it. Alexei's almost on the perfect path for Anderson to take over him after genuinely trying to take the division the next 2 years.

I appreciate that and note that i can't remember the last time I badmouthed the WWE about anything. Not since high school probably.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 28, 2014 -> 05:10 PM) An eligible free agent who is clearly good enough to play not getting signed would bring a collusion lawsuit from the union pretty quickly. Then there's probably going to be a collusion lawsuit because at least this season no one is going to want to deal with that.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 28, 2014 -> 04:56 PM) Great write up. Out of the our first top 10 picks, I can see 5 making the it to the MLB in Anderson, Danish, Dykstra, Mitchell, and Michaelczewski. My sleepers from this class is Lowry, Fruedenberg, and Wheeler. If 5 guys from a draft class make the big leagues, you literally have won that year's draft. By a lot.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 28, 2014 -> 04:57 PM) I didn't say good bullpen help. But maybe some bust prospects that have good stuff or something along those lines. QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 28, 2014 -> 04:59 PM) i still say a comp pick with money or an int'l pick with the money allotted to it. that will be an idea trade. I would not give up either of those for Viciedo. Not unless the "busted prospect" was also being paid $4 million after inexplicably being offered arbitration when he should not have been.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 28, 2014 -> 04:45 PM) I think Melky will be our first move at the Winter Meetings. Then we trade Viciedo for some bullpen help and then trade for a right handed starter. I continue to think no one in their right mind would give up bullpen help for Viciedo.

Arbitrator reinstates Rice immediately. Rules the evidence does not suggest Rice lied to Goodell during their first meeting early in the year and that consequently the commissioner did not have the authority to punish him a second time. Rice is now free to sign with any team that would take him. Despite everything else, this is 100% the correct decision. Goodell is the one who screwed up the first time and the arbitrator just hung it on him.

I literally first checked the score of the game and then checked here to see if Rose had been pulled at any point. Sigh.

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Nov 28, 2014 -> 01:12 PM) I've never been a sabermetrics kind of guy but seen a lot of posters throw out numbers suggesting that Melky isn't worth this type of contract but I have to disagree. Very ideal 2 hitter that could easily hit 20-25 HR's in a better park and occasionally fill the role at DH with a lefty on the mound. 3 of the last 4 years, the Rogers center has played as a better offensive park than US Cellular field.

So who are the likely outfielder candidates at charlotte? Trayce, Mitchell, anyone else? Because the Sox do seem to owe Charlotte a better roster next year.

Still prepared to be disappointed. But the Falcon got me excited.

Visited Target last night. Their Target mobile computer systems went down. I think after returning something they wound up writing me a credit card refund worth $50 for my time. Wound up at Verizon store. Hello first new phone in 3.5 years.

The estimated population of the Miami metropolitan area is ~5 million people. The population of North and South Dakota COMBINED is 1.56 million.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 27, 2014 -> 05:35 PM) I wasn't including him in the first wave with Cespedes, Puig, Viciedo, etc. In other words, Cuban Ballplayers can be divided into 2 groups: Before Abreu and After Abreu. And on the 3rd day, Jose will rise from the locker room and homer 4 times....

QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 27, 2014 -> 08:27 AM) the idea of trading Danks has been tried last yr. this yr, i honestly think he will be with the sox. to re-establish his value. however in this scenario, it just make perfect sense. the only problem i see, if there was a discussion, how will Bos deal with that 2nd yr of Danks contract? Boston is in a spot where they need to move an outfielder out of the way and the White Sox are in a spot where if they move a starting pitcher they'll have to find another starting pitcher. Danks was a more valuable player than Victorino last year and Danks is now >2 years removed from injury giving hope that he'll get a little stronger next year. For all these reasons, Boston would be eating probably most of that 2nd years salary, but they'd also fill in the back end of their rotation for those 2 years.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 11:06 PM) I hope they bigger things planned for Semien than being the weak half of a 3B platoon. Give that role to Saladino. Saladino isn't as good of a hitter but seems to have a much better ability to play SS. I like Semien shifting between 3b, DH, 2b, and a couple other spots next year, but we'll see.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 09:57 PM) I don't get whatever infatuation there is for Victorino. There is no reason to believe he will hit even .260ish with no power. Let's face it, de Aza is probably better. I woudlnt' call trading Danks for someone an "Infatuation".

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 09:39 PM) It does not seem to be too far out there of an idea as it appears it could be a match. Boston needs starting pitching and has a surplus of outfielders while the Sox would like to trade Danks and need an outfielder or two. Boston and Chicago have made trades in recent years so who knows? That's about the most reasonable trade proposal involving Danks that I've seen so far.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 08:55 PM) This could be a possibility. Some sort of Danks for Victorino swap might just make some crazy sense. I still prefer the Sox looked for a better option in LF but if it meant trading Danks I would not complain. A move like that actually saves the Sox 1.5M that can be added to the roughly 20M they have left to spend and maybe sign a starter like Volquez and another reliever or two. I don't know how possible that scnerio is, just throwing it out there as an example. I'm totally game for Danks/Victorino.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 06:43 PM) I think we could argue this until the cows come home. Ultimately, the Sox have to ask for Seager or Pederson. I think the Dodgers will turn their noses up at that, and no deal will be worked out. In that regard, I hope I'm wrong because I'd personally be OK with the Sox not competing for another year to acquire a talent like one of those two and I think Hahn would feel the same way. I'd be ok for the Sox not competing another year to acquire a talent like that as well, and that's exactly the level of talent the White Sox should be asking for, and everyone here keeps saying they won't give them up which is why I don't expect a trade to happen.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 06:20 PM) For the record, I'm not disagreeing with what you guys are saying, but it's a hell of a lot harder to justify trading those insanely talented prospects for a shortstop when the rest of their team is still very good. I'm not saying they won't, and I'm not saying the Sox shouldn't ask for those guys. What I am saying is that I think there will be other shortstops available, either through free agency or available via trade, that will cost them less and will replicate similar numbers to Alexei Ramirez. If the Dodgers offered, hypothetically here, Zach Lee to the Twins for Eduardo Escobar, with the Twins girth of offensive prospects and a guy like Danny Santana who is also capable of playing shortstop, do you think the Twins are in a position to turn that down? Maybe they negotiate the price up a bit, but then the Dodgers have a control of the player for a lot longer, don't pay as much, and have a similar though inferior player without giving up one of their top prospects. That is primarily why I don't see any way a deal is worked out between the Dodgers and the Sox that involves Alexei Ramirez. His value to the Sox right now is too great. They are on the verge of competing and dealing your starting shortstop for a package of prospects just doesn't seem to be the best use of resources. If you get the right player, you make it in a second and ask questions later, but I don't foresee that as a possibility. I buy all of this except for "it's harder to justify....when the restive their team is still very good". I think that's exactly the time you make that type of aggressive move to fill in the gap in your roster with the best player available. It makes a helluva lot more sense for the Dodgers to trade a top flight prospect for a player to fill a hole than it does for the White Sox to do it because that guy who can contribute right now may well put them over the top when the prospect's peak is probably several years away. yes, the Dodgers can make moves that fill the void without giving up their top flight guys, and if they're convinced they're sitting on the next 4 rookies of the year again that's exactly what they should do, but ask yourself this question; how much are you willing to risk on missing the playoffs by 1 game?