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Well Viciedo with a couple hits hopefully that starts busting his slump

QUOTE (TitoMB @ Jun 8, 2014 -> 02:16 PM) Now that we know, how can we lose?? By giving up 9.

The good side about having my flights completely screwed up and winding up stuck for 6 hours at Ohare is that I have no excuse for missing this game. (Not Ohares fault btw. Uniteds fault, but not Ohare.)

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 8, 2014 -> 11:26 AM) Ever think part of the reason Sale is honest about soreness and such is because he trusts Ventura? He trusts him because he'll let him do things like pitch the 8th and face Trout. Yes, it was a bad loss, but it's far better than having Sale losing that trust in Ventura. As far as the team goes there's no way they should be where they are given the talent Ventura was handed. He has done a remarkable job. Wasn't Sale criticized in 2012 for being dishonest about how his arm felt and trying to pitch through it?

QUOTE (qwerty @ Jun 8, 2014 -> 08:27 AM) Makes you wonder how Sale gets disciplined by the White Sox for his temper tantrum? I would figure out a way to fine him, and fine him hard. A message needs to be sent that no matter who the player is, liabilities cannot be had. What he did very well could have been career ending. Think about it. What did Sale do?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 8, 2014 -> 02:12 AM) If I'm wrong, my bad. Is the mental hospital worse than a normal prison because it's sort of a One Flew Over the Kukoo's Nest type setting? Drugs, zombie type people, etc? I think I have the right to be frustrated these mass murderers get a break because they are "insane." I think he's a murderer. Basically, on average, just imagine it as an average prison. In some cases it might involve actual treatment for people in addition to serving time, but in some cases it could well be substantially worse. Depends on the state, funding, and whether or not anyone cares.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 8, 2014 -> 02:42 AM) I always assumed it would be Jeb Bush or George P. Bush (half-Hispanic nephew of George W. and Jeb's son)...but the Bush brand name is too damaged. From everything you see and read about Chelsea, she's way too introverted to run for president, kind of reminiscent of Caroline Kennedy. Compared to the rest of the potential field, I would not count Jeb bush out as a candidate yet. He may not interest the general voters but the people who got Mitt Romney onto the ticket were the big money people and Jeb could have the type of connections necessary to become their candidate.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 7, 2014 -> 02:39 PM) Basically isn't it a stay in a hospital-type setting? Followed by a country club "prison " to make sure he's getting all medicated up? I wonder if he'll be allowed to golf and play tennis? Seriously, you should take some time and look into the quality of mental health treatment in this country. Go do it for yourself.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 7, 2014 -> 02:37 PM) That is true. With all these people in our country we have to keep turning to the Bushes and Clintons? Great post about Chelsea. Bring her on right after Hillary's eight years. IMO, it's a combination of the media's desire to treat government as a bunch of celebrity stories and the fact that everyone in government spends a huge fraction of their time prostituting themselves for money from rich people, so having contacts with the appropriate rich people gives a leg up. Oh, and the education and connections that are available to the kids of the super-rich and connected but not to the rest of us don't hurt either.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 7, 2014 -> 12:09 AM) I have to say, regardless of her qualifications for the job, I can't say that I love the sound of it that our Presidents over the years would be Bush-Clinton-Bush-someone else to make it seem less creepy-Clinton. Who would win after that, Jeb? George Prescott? Chelsea Clinton? This bothers me as well.

A plea of insanity isn't a free pass out of jail.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jun 7, 2014 -> 07:52 AM) I doubt we will see Avi dive for balls like that anytime soon, if ever. Especially if it's in the back of his mind. I still remember Quentin never doing it after his surgery. Just an extreme mental thing to have to overcome. He did almost the exact same dive a couple days before he tore his shoulder. The trainers came out on that one and everything, I had noidea how he didn't hurt himself on the first one. He did it again a couple days later and that's when his shoulder shredded.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jun 6, 2014 -> 09:22 PM) That was fast. I didn't even know Rodon signed already. Chris has been so unbelievable the last couple games that this mad me sad and angry

My POV on this is that it will all work itself out in the end, just do the best we can to play all of the guys. Even guys who are looking really solid at AAA probably have a 50% bust rate at the MLB level. Given enough time over the next season or two, the guys who are going to stick at the bigs will do so and the guys who can't cut it will get a couple chances at Charlotte to find a groove and fill in when there's an injury or a backup slot open. Working Saladino and Semien in the OF is a good move, working Sanchez at SS is a good move, but IMO eventually this glut is a problem that will solve itself. If we're lucky, there are 2 big league starters out of those 4 guys.

QUOTE (knightni @ Jun 6, 2014 -> 02:52 PM) Would you make him a qualifying offer in the hopes that he declines it and the team gets a supplimental pick? QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jun 6, 2014 -> 04:14 PM) Nobody advocated giving him a qualifying offer. around and round we go. Please read the first post.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jun 6, 2014 -> 04:09 PM) Nobody advocated giving Dunn a deal similar to Morales or Ortiz. What do you think a qualifying offer is?

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jun 6, 2014 -> 03:58 PM) 35 HR's and 90 BB's aren't worth $5M? You know it's 2014, right? Adam Dunn has hit 9 HR in 208 PA's this season. Scaling up to a full 600 PA season, he's on pace for 26. Also he only walked 76 times last season, so 90 BB's aren't guaranteed etiher although he's on a good walk pace this year.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jun 6, 2014 -> 03:49 PM) And this would be another case where "advanced metrics" would be really stupid. I totally disagree. If someone wants to give Adam Dunn more htan $5 million next year I'd be happy to let them. $5 million for Adam Dunn, with what he's producing right now, is an overpay to me. It's an overpay I'd consider because of the lack of LHB in our lineup, but I'd certainly consider other options first.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jun 6, 2014 -> 03:35 PM) If you can get a guy that's going to end up top 5 in BB's and HR's for $5M, you really have to consider it. Dunn strikes me as the type of guy that would be willing to take a big pay cut for the sake of loyalty and making up for the money the Sox lost on his contract. Just to stress again, "$5 million" for Adam Dunn would be an overpay based on the advanced metrics (both pages). It would not be "making up for the money the Sox lost on his contract" unless he significantly improved.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jun 6, 2014 -> 03:31 PM) Coaching makes a big difference sometimes. That's why in general you want guys that are athletic and have tools because those are the things you can't teach, right? If bet Avi is going to work his ass off this offseason to improve in RF and he'll have MLB quality coaching helping him along. Based on Garcia's form at "diving for balls", I think there's clearly some room for improvement with coaching. It's also worth stressing that experience is a key thing as well in terms of reading fly balls off the bat, and that is a skill that could well improve with coaching/experience.

QUOTE (knightni @ Jun 6, 2014 -> 02:52 PM) Would you make him a qualifying offer in the hopes that he declines it and the team gets a supplimental pick? QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jun 6, 2014 -> 03:28 PM) Who said anything about paying Dunn $14m? I said he's still productive. That's all. Right there, it was asked about 36 minutes ago and that was specifically what we were discussing. The thread itself, I should add, also has the subtitle of "offering him a new contract". And the post you replied to was on that subject (and a reply to my post saying I would not offer him a QO).

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jun 6, 2014 -> 03:22 PM) I never said he was. I don't care about WAR. It probably penalizes him for bring a DH. He walks and he hits bombs. Actually it penalizes him more for occasionally playing 1b, and let's just say it this way, when fangraphs says he might be worth $1-2 million this year, I'm not going to pay him $14 million. It really is that simple. You might well be able to talk me into paying him more than $2 million to give LH balance to the lineup, but no way on Earth does a player like that get a QO.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 6, 2014 -> 03:19 PM) Why should he be considered raw/inexperienced on defense? He's been playing baseball all his life. There are plenty of players who have played even fewer games than he has who fared far better defensively. Jose Abreu is my response. Specifically, for the first couple weeks of the season, Abreu's footwork at 1b was on the verge of getting his ankle broken every time he received a throw. IIRC it led to an error/run scoring in Colorado or something like that. Jose Abreu is 26 and has been playing 1b longer than Garcia has played by several years, but in all that time, no one had ever coached him how to correctly plant his feet while taking throws at 1b. After that error, suddenly the next couple days he was doing it correctly. He got coaching and suddenly improved. That's a great example of a raw player who has played baseball all his life and still makes simple mistakes.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jun 6, 2014 -> 03:15 PM) He's still productive. But not anywhere close to $14 million a year productive. Fangraphs has him being worth 0.1 WAR this season.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 6, 2014 -> 03:15 PM) Avisail make up for weaknesses of the centerfielder? I thought A. Garcia was a disaster defensively. Is Eaton Aaron Rowand clone? About a .240 hitter who has intangibles? Avi has good speed but should also be regarded as extremely raw/inexperienced on defense. He has the tools to be a plus defender but he needs a lot of experience and coaching before he ever pulls that off. That is one big reason why him losing this entire season is such a downer.