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QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 09:41 PM) Gordon has low standards. "Getz is..."

QUOTE (Brian @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 07:23 PM) No reliable QB or RB and a slightly above average Defense. What's not to over hype? Jesus.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 07:02 PM) I don't know what I want. I just think it's unfair a whole profession got labeled as scum when I know there are tons of good priests. Basically there are no more priests coming through the U.S. ranks. The profession has been ruined and I think it's unfair because the percentage of abusers is probably similar to the percentage of abusers in all professions where adults are in a position to prey on kids. Even I would not say that the entire profession is scum. What I would say is that the catholic church turned itself into a criminal enterprise to cover up for the child abusers. That isn't the fault of the individual priests, but it is the fault of a whole lot of people who actively covered things up, the fault of a whole lot of people who turned blind eyes, and of course, the fault of the abusers themselves. I have trouble believing that the number of incidents the church has seen does not imply that the problem was vastly greater there than in general society. Otherwise there would be very few children who aren't molested. I would be happy to see data if anyone has this.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 06:35 PM) Yes, that's a team friendly contract. I'm not sure why you think a 25% discount over his actual value is only "slightly" team friendly. That's a pretty significant discount. Regardless, he's going to be one of the top starters in free agency and someone will give him $15 million or more a year. I don't think he'd take a 3/36 offer from us not should he. If you want to keep him, either you pick up his option or make a legitimate multi-year offer. I'd much rather go 1/18 with him then 3/45, which is probably closer to what he'd accept. Because that's a 25% discount over his performance this year, but its right in line with what he's been worth for 2008-on .

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 06:36 PM) It could be funny. Imagine if the owner of CFA is dressed like Jefferson Davis and he is speaking to a group of slaves, about how terrible their lives would be if he freed them, because they would have to live with the sinners in the North. Yeah, but you're laughing at the head of CFA in that case, not laughing at the evil gays.

Oh, and just as a reminder, Hollywood actors don't get a pass when they decide to let off a hate filled rant about the gays either.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 06:22 PM) Team friendly = He could get more elsewhere. You don't think he can get more than $12M AAV with another team? A healthy Peavy, as we see in 2012, is a VERY good pitcher. Cole Hamels just got $25M a year, I think half of that is very team friendly. I think team friendly = paid less than his production is worth to this team. He could definitely get more than $12 million salary from another team based on his performance this year. But it's not very team friendly if he gets 3/$45 and then pitches like a $12 million pitcher every year.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 06:24 PM) OK, what if the CEO of CFA said the same things said on a comedy show about gays? He'd be fried in the media. Why not movie producers and actors? Actors could refuse the part if they have to make gay jokes. There is no outrage because Hollywood is glamorous and everybody there is rich. That's what our society is about. No scorn for the rich in this instance. Because "We strongly feel that homosexuals are second class citizens and do not deserve equal rights" is pretty darn unfunny.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 06:19 PM) I'd go 2/$22...take it or leave it, Jakemeister. I'd probably go to that level too, and that's after writing the skeptical post.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 06:16 PM) Well it needs to continued to be covered then, because I want all molesters to rot. The sad thing is...it will not be covered much until there is another major bit of news...because it really is no longer news that the catholic church harbored and covered up for child molesters systematically for decades. It's actually true, it has happened, it has been covered, and most of the media have moved on. There was a brief bit a few years ago when the scandal broke in Ireland, and occasionally you'll see an in-depth look at some particular abuse case on 60 minutes, but that's it. It's not news any more that the catholic church was basically a criminal conspiracy.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 06:08 PM) No. I said I'm glad it was covered and all those guilty of cover up and abuse should be sentenced to death or life. Then why are you not piling on right now when the people who moved those priests around, going all the way up to places in the Vatican, are still in power? I know of only 1 case where the guy who did the coverup was charged with anything and convicted, and that just happened last month. He was convicted of one count of child endangerment and will spend a couple years in prison at most. By your own standard, the media has not been tough enough on the Church, because the people who did the coverup are walking away and having their parishioners pay the fines! You asked for life imprisonment, I give you a couple years on a single count of child endangerment for one guy!

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 06:00 PM) Absolutely do NOT pick up that option, and hope he will sign a team-friendly 3 yr/$36 deal because he feels bad about never being healthy while with us. Is 3/$36 really that "Team friendly"? If you go to the fangraphs world, ever since his cy young year, he's been a $12 million-$17 million a year pitcher outside of the year he tore apart his shoulder. At his current pace he'll put up $16 million in value this year, so compared to this year that's slightly team friendly, but he's been a $12 million a year pitcher on average since the end of his cy young year. People are talking about the Dodgers paying him more than that...because the Dodgers might overpay anyone who can fill their holes right now and make them a winner next year, even if it's not a smart financial move. See: Andre Etheir's contract for an example.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 05:58 PM) The Bmac trade is another thread where I was one of the few who favored it. Danks was a stud, BMac scared me. The 2007 season immediately after that trade though...wasn't exactly a fun one.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 05:55 PM) I don't blame the media, but I do blame them for not going out of their way to balance this out a bit. The word "priest" shouldn't have turned into a synonym for devil because of the evil scandal. Just as coach should not now be synonym for devil because of Sandusky/Paterno and all the youth coaches who abuse. Do you really think it would help the catholic church to have the media interject statements reminding people how many priests didn't rape children? Wouldn't the fact that they were doing that...remind people of how many priests raped children?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 05:51 PM) No, it's the whole story and slanted coverage as a whole. Not all priests are bad, yet the perception has been repeated so much that now you look up priest in the dictionary and the word pedophile appears so to speak. It's just not so. And I'm all for the bastard bishops who covered it up getting thrown in jail. I hate all molesters and all people who cover up molestation. Crimes against kids should be punishable by the death penalty or life in solitary! But it's not all priests. And the occupation has been ruined. Slanted coverage? Are you kidding me? Yes, the media was too hard on the catholic church for covering up the systematic abuse of kids for decades across the entire world. GMAFB. Do you think the media should have covered up the rape of children? Because otherwise, no, the media was not too hard on the church. The Church has gotten off easy. Many, many more leaders of the church, going all the way up, should have gone to jail for what they did, shifting those priests around and covering up for them, and those people are still happily employed and have gone without punishment except in the eyes of God.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 05:49 PM) It is not because of "liberals" and the media covering worldwide child rape cover-ups. It's because society is becoming less religious over time across the board, not specifically among Catholics. Even if Greg was right... It's not because of liberals or the media that there was a gigantic uproar over child rape within the catholic church. It's because there was an epidemic of child rape and coverup of child rape within the catholic church. You want to be mad at someone? Be mad at the people who systematically made it policy to cover up decades of child rape and protected rapist priests as the expense of more children getting raped. Don't be mad at the people who covered it or especially at people who brought it to light.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 05:36 PM) Yet the media will not discourage people from becoming coaches again and imply that all coaches are pedophiles like Sandusky and cover up artists like Joe. Yet this pedophile priest issue was covered in a way that it was implied all priests are pedophiles. How come we don't get a barrage of news about all the sicko youth coaches and get to the point nobody can be a coach because they are pedophiles like Sandusky? Can you cite one example of someone in the media saying something that would explicitly discourage people from becoming a priest, or do you support the media covering up the child abuse scandal so that people wouldn't be discouraged from joining the preisthood?

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 04:58 PM) What product, outside of the iPod Touch, has been completely new that we've never seen before? And just to be clear, I'm not talking about stuff from way back in the day when it was run with Woz at the helm. I mean in the new age of portable technology. The reason the iPod took off was the interface.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 04:46 PM) If the CEO of CFA had no history of donating any money to focus on the family and was apathetic about SSM but came out and said he hated gays the reaction would have been the exact same. GMAB. And he continues to have the right to be a bigot all he wants, just as I have a right to label him a bigot, regardless of whether he drapes himself in any religion for his justification. And no, you cannot take away my right to call him a bigot for being a bigot.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 04:37 PM) Edit: Although you clearly think people shouldn't even be able to donate to lobbying groups (or groups that spend money to lobby) based on their beliefs, so I guess that's a right you want them to lose, no? Yes, I'd be thrilled if we could demolish the "Buy yourself an election" lobbying system this country has developed. I would happily give up my rights to give money to candidates and to purchase ads if it would help fix that debacle.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 04:37 PM) Being treated negatively doesn't have to mean a loss of rights. And remarkably, no one is telling the Christians that they have lost the right to hate gay people as much as they want, or to treat them negatively as much as they want (outside of violence, of course). They are perfectly free to continue doing that even when marriage equality happens. I think the gay community would consider that to be a hugely positive step where they had the same rights and were stuck only being treated negatively.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 04:31 PM) Just keep ignoring the fact that the people supposedly defending the notion of equal rights and equal acceptance are the same people that feel so much hate and animosity towards a specific group of people. Can you point to any example of anyone in this thread, or really anywhere, demanding that Christians lose any version of their right to worship in the way that they choose? (Outside of perhaps "don't cover up for pedophiles").

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 04:24 PM) Some pretty hard-hitting anecdotal evidence you've presented. Would you be able to share the survey results you've collected for all of the men who've decided not to become priests? Even if he's right, am I supposed to feel bad? To use an example Greg is perfectly familiar with, Joe Paterno did a whole lot of good in a lot of people's lives. He contributed greatly to his university financially and in many other ways. What do people think of today when they talk about Penn State? If the Catholic church can't find priests because they spent decades covering up the abuse and rape of kids...my level of sympathy could not be any lower. If Greg's theory is right...you know the solution? STOP COVERING UP THE ABUSE OF YOUNG BOYS AND PROTECTING THE ABUSERS.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 04:19 PM) Exhibit A. We're having this discussion in a thread where the comments led to an entire day where people could go to Chick Fil A and celebrate how important it is that gay people are denied equal rights. I think that "Sad" is a soft word for it.