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There's a game involving a team other than the Twins and Tigers? Why, I had no idea.

Almost as if on cue, one of the interstate highway bridges across the Ohio river from Louisville to indiana has been completely shut down after an inspection found multiple cracks in its structure. 24 hours before this bridge closed, the President cited a bridge between Kentucky and Ohio as in need of repair. Kentucky, of course, is the home state of the Senate Minority Leader.

QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 03:25 PM) So getting rid of Ozzie does what then, other than give the Sox a short term solution? A long term solution at the big league levelwould be nice too.

QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 03:12 PM) Do you think all of the White Sox problems are going to get solved by just getting rid of Ozzie? No, Ozzie doesn't handle the draft or the minors.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 02:05 PM) And once again, you just seem to not understand or blatantly ignore the economic side of the game. You don't give away money simply because it's nowhere near as bad as a Peavy contract. Frasor has had a solid career. But he's 34 and has been very, very bad for us. As disgusting (in a bad way) as our system is, there are some intriguing relief prospects. We're not a Jason Frasor away from contending. IF there was no draft pick for him, I'd probably go ahead and pick up his option, because even if things went badly he'd still be tradeable again midseason. But with how he's performed with the Sox, I'd rather have the sandwich pick if it is an option.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 01:57 PM) I guess it does come down to how our pitching looks in ST too. Frsor might be the best option. Kind of hard to really make a judgement on this guy. You need a hgood blend of veterans and youth on a winnig team IMO. I know some want to go all young, but I see that as acepting 4th or lower for a few years The problem for me is that Frasor really hasn't looked that good since coming to the Sox. 5.40 ERA, 1.80 WHIP since coming to Chicago. That makes me, um, hesitate about wanting him back.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 01:14 PM) Everyone clamouring for rebuilding and saying they would go to a ton of Sox games if the tickets were cheaper, your time is now. The games are meaningless, the younger players (even though most aren't that young) are playing, and tickets can be had on stubhub for $5. Step up to the plate. But Alex Rios does keep playing.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 01:54 PM) Is there a draft pick? He should be a type B free agent if we decline the $3.5 million option on him for next year and then offer him arbitration. That would get the Sox a sandwich pick if he declined arbitration. Unless the next CBA gets rid of compensatory picks.

QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 01:50 PM) So Ozzie decided to have a crappy Pen? Well...he did keep using Bobby Jenks as closer, so yeah, that was part of it. And I guess since Mark Kotsay was his emergency pitcher, then that's part of the pen problem too.

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QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 01:46 PM) It seems from reading this thread.. KW gets a free pass.. While all the blame of the bad roster is on Ozzie... I'm gonna continue blaming Ozzie for the underperformance of what should be a good roster. I'll blame Kenny if he underestimated the risk he put in his roster. But that said...if you want to blame Ozzie for roster mistakes...it's not exactly hard. Cost us a shot at the 2010 pennant race.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 01:45 PM) He's a #9 hitter/4th OF. A player of his caliber shouldn't be in the top 10 in PAs. He's not effective enough on defense to be a 4th OF. A 4th OF better be able to cover CF non-terribly, at least in the AL where you only have 4 bench roster spots. And he's no longer a stolen base threat if you use him as a pinch runner.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 01:33 PM) SABRmetrics has jumped the shark. If you watch and understand the game you know Pierre did his job. You also know that the Tigers are simply better than the Sox. When Juan Pierre gets on base, I don't want him running. When a fly ball goes to LF, I cringe. That's pretty much my summary of watching Juan Pierre's game.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 01:24 PM) It he were a hitter, Greg Walker would be the issue. How come no issue with Cooper? He clearly didn't perform very well for the White Sox last year. Because he got a whopping 3 games worth of chances. If you watched him, you could actually see that the kid had good stuff, but he was clearly doing what a lot of rookies try to do...he was trying to spot the ball ont he corner on every pitch. He was trying to make every pitch perfect instead of letting hitters get themselves out. There was good velocity, good movement, good control, but he was walking a lot more people than he did in AAA, because it's really hard to throw a perfect pitch every time, and when you're walking people and falling behind, suddenly you have to make a perfect pitch. It takes rookie pitchers a while to get to the stage where they just come out and trust what they're doing. We dumped him without giving him a chance.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 01:20 PM) Not to mention the Petco effect. I'm starting to think Fausto Carmona could produce a 3.50 ERA in that park. The 2007 pitching triple crown is nothing to scoff at, no matter what ballpark. ERA ok...but Wins and Strikeouts too. Dude was a legit great pitcher, but he got there with a max effort delivery. Everyone knew it.

QUOTE (mmmmmbeeer @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 01:00 PM) So projecting three players in their prime to continue to perform (Peavy, Rios, Dunn) was poor evaluation? We aren't talking about three guys that are 35 years old or three guys without proven track records (Rios is debatable), we're talking about three solid players. With Peavy, specifically, you're implying that Kenny should have known that Peavy would have a freaking muscle detach in his back (first time in MLB history)? If you look at the history of those guys, yes, expecting them to continue to perform was a poor gamble. Dunn may have been likely to continue performing and thus the best gamble of the group, but Rios had trended downward for years and was having a bad 2009 when the Sox risked picking him up. Peavy had had elbow problems before, a broken rib before, and then the ankle thing before the Sox traded for him, in addition to a long list of people saying that his mechanics were risky before the Sox ever picked him up.

Marques Colston broke his collarbone on Thursday.

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QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 12:52 PM) He's turned into Bruce Chen when he faces the Sox. Nearly unbeatable. Has he faced the Sox more htan once?

QUOTE (JPN366 @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 12:46 PM) It doesn't help that Hudson is looking more and more like a young Halladay everyday. Ok, as a person who hated the Hudson trade...that's pushing it. A lot.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 11:59 AM) I hope Frasor doesn't want to return so the Sox have little risk in offering him arbitration. Lord knows the Sox need draft picks. If he were to accept arbitration he should still at least be tradeable mid-season. Reliever on a 1 year, $2.75 mil deal.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 11:46 AM) It's in writing, from an economist, so it must be true. There cannot be any limits or questions allowed to 40 year old statistics because it fits an agenda all nice and pretty in one's mind.

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QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Sep 9, 2011 -> 10:38 PM) So do you blame Lou Penilla and Mike Quady for the failures of the Cubs? I definitely think Pinella failed to have that team ready for playoff time.