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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 11:06 AM) but let's not project Holmberg as being special (yet) until he repeats his 2011 success at the AA level. If nothing else, he now holds substantially higher trade value than when we used him as a throwin. He could have been dealt on his own as a key piece in a deal right now if we still had him.

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 11:03 AM) How's De Aza glove-wise/speed-wise Kept a run from scoring yesterday on a play Rios wouldn't have made.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 11:03 AM) Sandberg worthy enough for you? Personally I think he's overrated. He may or may not be overrated, but he's a hall of famer. Hard to argue he isn't worthy of it.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 11:02 AM) Another example would be paying AJ $6+ million in 2012 when we should have been turning over the catcher's position. Reality, the Sox are effectively paying AJ $4 mil a year for 2 years, which is close to a fair contract for him, maybe a slight overpay. They backloaded that in anticipation of having dollars come off of the books or having new revenues from winning in 2011. They also probably hoped he'd have a better 2011 than 2010 and would be more moveable, which is in fact true. Besides, the Sox had no business just turning that position over to Tyler Flowers. Beckham, Morel, etc., you can say they earned a MLB job in the minors. Flowers has not.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 10:59 AM) I get the feeling that Humber is going downhill right before our eyes. I don't know if it is IP catching up with him, or if it is a regression to where he realistically should be, but I am not counting on him for too much down the stretch. Then you and I have watched a different Philip Humber. He's been just as good the last few games as he's been for most of the season, save for the actual bad outing against the Twins. He just has a manager who refuses to believe that he burns out at 90-95 pitches.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 10:46 AM) I just roll my eyes when people suggest Ventura and Dye should have a retired number. They aren't even close to being worth that honor. Especially not that number. Not in this city. You want to retire #23 in Chicago you better have done something historic.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 10:52 AM) You really don't remember 1997 then because it destroyed that team and the public perception for years. My parents had a subscription to Time Magazine back then for some reason and the week after that trade Time actually featured the White Sox in their "Up and down week" Conventional Wisdom bit. They said that "Greedy owner forces team to sell off players, they coulda been a contender" or something close to that.

QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 10:47 AM) I wish this thread would just end. With Edwin gone now, it's over. We lost the trade, no use dwelling on it. There's a solid chance that in 5 years we'll look back on this deal and say it was hands down the worst deal of the KW regime. If it gets on your nerves, then step away.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 10:38 AM) Remember when KW and Ozzie basically protected Rios by benching the soon-to-depart Jermaine Dye for stretches in late 2009? Jermaine Dye didn't earn those at bats any more than Rios did.

QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 10:41 AM) You really think 14 and 56 shouldn't be retired? They are not going to be MLB hall of famers but they truly deserve to have their numbers retired by the team. He said "Konerko and Buehrle for sure".

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 10:30 AM) he had two good seasons with the club. his 2006 and 2007 seasons were forgettable. aj, konerko, and buerls have been the franchise faces for a long time. with konerko appraoching 400 hrs, and with a decent shot at 500(ina sox uniform, noless), and all of buehrle's accomplishments, it's a no-brainer to retire thier numbers and place eventual statues up in thier honor. AJ really hasn't done much in the way of personal accomplishments though. 14 and 56 are clearly getting retired.

QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 09:45 AM) Exactly, and the from the sounds of it the Bears are handling their business right now. From what I read silence is not to be misconstrued as inactivity and that the Bears are waiting to see how all gets cut, etc before pouncing on OL. The perfect guy also is still franchised, Vincent Jackson. Gotta figure that they'd at least be open to listening if Steve Smith (panthers) were on the block for something less than a first rounder.

QUOTE (since56 @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 09:36 AM) It all hinges on Peavy? C'mon this team has never depended on him......can't. Right now, Jake Peavy is an average 5th starter with a high contract. The team can still make it to the playoffs if he's nothing but a 5 inning guy.

White House finally gives up completely, resorts to rickrolling.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 09:34 AM) I'd be annoyed with this since the Bears have no other options and also aren't addressing their receiving corps. I'd hoped they'd improve their roster, yet they are looking like they want to go status quo and run out there with a roster that lucked out with an easy playoff matchup and the healthiest season I've ever seen. IMO, upgrading the O-Line is upgrading the WR corps.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 09:26 AM) To me it seems like Quentin could still be somewhat of a bargain if he was making $7 to $9 million next year (as someone speculated). I realize the Sox may be slowly slashing payroll, but I'm not a huge fan of getting rid of Quentin to do so. It's too bad Rios' contract is so bad. Quentin's not unusually expensive next season, but he's also a FA at the end of the year. He's worth more than 2 draft picks in a trade.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 09:23 AM) So if the Sox were to acquire Gamel he'd most likely end up in Charlotte? Or, was there speculation that Morel would go to the Brewers? If we traded for him right now, I'd guess LF in Charlotte to work at that position before a callup.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 01:04 AM) We have like 27 good relievers now, we can afford to pull Jake after 5 for 2 months. Yeah, with a 7 man bullpen, I can totally live with 2 starters who only give you 80-ish pitches. Especially with Sale suddenly destroying teams for 3 innings every time out. Stretch them out if you can, but stop losing games because of it. We'd be what, a game out of 1st place if Ozzie had pulled Humber and Peavy at the right time every game since the AS break.

QUOTE (Disco72 @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 09:20 AM) Based on this thread, it appears is defense is SO bad that the Sox would legitimately have a "where would he play?" situation considering that 1B and DH are tied up for awhile. LF, it sounds like.

QUOTE (kwolf68 @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 03:32 AM) Not a big fan of Stewart's secondary pitches from what I saw. But he does have a very nice fastball. If they can tune him up and improve his off-speed stuff he could be a viable candidate for the rotation. In the least, he has a big league arm, makeup, and should fit into the Sox staff in some capacity. Personally, he looks like a setup guy to me. A lot of people have said that his secondary pitches aren't great but they aren't bad. Considering he spent 2 years with the Reds working as a reliever that isn't terribly surprising. One thing worth remembering too is that if his main pitch is a 2 seamer, that works well in the Cell, and it's also something we haven't really featured in our rotation since Garland.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 08:21 AM) I'd approve of just about anything to rid of Rios, especially if the Sox didn't have to send too much money, but is Gamel really a better option than Morel at 3rd? His offense looks just this side of bad, although with very limited action. How's his defense? His defense supposedly makes Wilson Betemit look like a gold glover. The Brewers are getting less performance from 3b than the White Sox have gotten, yet they haven't brought Gamel up yet. Brent Morel would be a significant upgrade for them on offense.

I'm sure this would go over great with Kenny and Ozzie.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 09:11 AM) God damn, New England is good. Albert Haynesworth, under Belichik, will probably be a God again (and not asked to play NT). The saddest part for anyone not rooting for the Pats? Haynesworth is only due $5 mill this year. $5 mil is $4.95 mil more than he was worth last year.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 10:50 PM) The internet has made partisanship an unstoppable back and forth. There's no slowing it down. Your best bet is to just watch the empire fall, remember the good times, and spend time wondering about things that you can control/actually matter. As long as I get my dancing Ewoks.

I think it's safe to say that Apple will win a World Series before the Chicago Cubs.