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QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 03:59 PM) And now he's a no paid no time player. I wonder if he regrets not signing somewhere. I think he clearly doesn't. The Nats offered him a contract mid-season for a couple million and he showed no interest in it.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 03:54 PM) So will he have to staff government employees at hospitals to ensure at least one parent is a citizen for any newborns? We've got 9.5% unemployment right now. Think of the dent we can make in that by hiring people to keep immigrants away.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 03:50 PM) Cubs continue to have the most expensive tickets in baseball, and have been headed downhill for a few years. That along with the econominc downturn have created a situation where their attendence has been down for 3 straight years. My prediction is that will continue And I'll tell you something else - you see a LOT more kids at Sox games in recent years, and a lot fewer at Cubs games. My guess is the Sox are winning the long run fight right now. See where we're at in 10 years. Hate to say it, but the Cubs are down about 2000 tickets a game compared to 2008. The White Sox are down about 4000 tickets/game.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 03:49 PM) Any change would be retroactive. No one would have a right taken away if the 14th was amended. Seriously...you guys are dramatically parsing the language here. If you were to change the amendment and a child were to be born before that change or after that change...the child after that change would face a dramatic curtailing of his or her rights. The only way you can say it wasn't taken away is that the child just happened to be born on the wrong date so that it never received them.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 03:42 PM) Hmm, Ariza would have looked nice on the Bulls. I'd rather have him over Brewer/Korver and he makes a similar amount of money. With the Bulls's needs and the season that Ariza had last year, I think I'm happy with Brewer and Korver.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 03:37 PM) Well, you probably have to send him down for a minor league stint for two weeks. Then when he gets called up, who knows how good he'll be? Maybe an .800 OPS? I mean...the problem is...JD has shown no interest whatsoever in coming back either as a part time player or on a more limited salary.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 03:42 PM) I'm not advocating taking anything away, it's just a matter of determining how it is given out. To me, those are two totally different concepts. That's an incredibly awkward way to try to slip around the reality that yes, for a ton of people, you are taking away that right. And doing so in a way where they'd have zero defense, and where it would not be their fault at all.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 03:34 PM) Dye hasn't played baseball in almost a year. I doubt he'll have an impact if we sign him now. Really, he can't be less effective than Kotsay. The problem with JD is that he had no interest in being a low paid part time player.

So...therefore...anything that could be considered a "slow erosion of rights" is comparable to something done by the Nazis?

If you don't want people to focus on the Nazi comparison, then don't make it, because that's by far the most inflammatory thing in your post. Even the guy who's spent the most effort defending birthright citizenship in this thread immediately went after you on it. Furthermore, the fact that you made that comparison casts, to my eyes, a shadow upon every other argument you made.

Wow.

Viciedo goes 0-for the day again today and I bet he gets sent down.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 03:22 PM) You dont think its relevant that one of the first steps to the holocaust was removing Jewish citizenship? For similar reasons to the ones that people are making today? And most Germans didnt want gas chambers for Jews. The problem is once they gave the govt the power to make these rules, the German people lost all control. So, whether I agree with the point or not...the counterpoint is the exact data that my opponent cited earlier...that only 33 nations worldwide actually offer birthright citizenship. And several have removed that right from their laws in recent years, including the Irish example I cited. Now, I will argue that getting rid of birthright citizenship will create an entire class of useless people that no country wants and that will be a plague on this nation for decades...but there is ample evidence right there that simply targeting a particularly disliked group with laws that strip it of citizenship does not a priori wind up with anything that would remotely be similar to a Nazi pogrom.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 03:12 PM) But I think there is a valid argument for bringing it up in this discussion. At least IMO, even in cases where the comparison may be somewhat apt in that the motivations were similar or the circumstances were similar...I still think Godwin's law applies...because by making a Nazi reference, you're not only arguing that what political opponent x is making is similar to something done in the 30's, you're also passively connecting it to every other evil thing that regime did. Reforming the 14th amendment would be a horrible thing, but I seriously doubt even Tom Tancredo wants gas chambers for Hispanic immigrants.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 03:05 PM) Alcohol sure played a number on me last night. Almost got into a fight with two of my best friends and also apparently girls don't like it when you accidentally call them the wrong name, who knew? Quite the night to say the least. Should you be copying and pasting this in the relationship thread?

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 03:05 PM) 1. A citizen of the Reich is that subject only who is of German or kindred blood and who, through his conduct, shows that he is both desirous and fit to serve the German people and Reich faithfully. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 03:03 PM) Riiiight. Because THAT'S the reason for Islamic terrorism/extremism in certain parts of the Western World... The creation of a permanent underclass of non-citizens with limited job or life prospects has been absolutely key to those events.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 02:51 PM) It is enforced by a whole 2 "developed nations"* *As determined by the International Monetary Fund Link I don't think I really need citations for the riots in France or the development of Islamic Terrorism in London and how those events have been linked to groups excluded by those laws.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 02:42 PM) Fair and logical. I don't even know how that doesn't make sense. And for reference, since everyone always loves comparing us to our friends in Europe, jus soli is not observed by most European countries nor many other "western" nations. It is enforced by 33 countries, including Mexico and Canada. Furthermore...I think right now, Western Europe is a great example of the societal problems that come up when you start extracting significant barriers to assimilation of immigrants and a strong argument in favor of retaining the status quo.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 02:37 PM) My wife and I agreed that when me move to Florida we are setting aside up to $20,000 to install solar panels on our house with the ultimate goal of achieving 75-100% energy independence. In the U.K., public policy has allowed it to be profitable for private companies to do that for you.

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QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 02:26 PM) So, Soxbadger says I'm a racist, and you say I'm fearmongering. Fantastic. I somehow knew you'd try for this ridiculous leap. If you bothered to actually read my posts, I told you why I felt the way I did, and it has zero to do with either fearmongering or racism. But feel free to continue ignorning that and painting me into a corner. You didn't start that thread, and you didn't start the 14th amendment discussion. Do you think we'd be having this discussion at all if having people afraid of Hispanic people wasn't an effective electoral strategy?

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 02:23 PM) This isn't new - there was fear in this country after 9/11, and shortly after, a significant portion of "the Right" decided that using fear was a great way to get support. So, fearmongering became a major tenet of their marketing scheme. Cheney led the way. And the fear train continues to plow forward. And look, it works against other groups too.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 02:16 PM) Hey look, idiots! It's pretty much the natural outgrowth of the anti-Mosque movements the Right is feeding around the country.

The American Family Association comes out against construction of any more Mosques.