Balta1701

So a few points on the Twins move here: 1. I wonder if they're not nearly as high on Graterol as they could be. He has a big arm but he only threw 61 innings last year, and with that his K-rate looks comparable to Reynaldo Lopez's in the minors. 2. I don't see him ranked anywhere near where Cease was, for that comparison that was made in this thread. BP had him #33 last year, but MLB.com currently has him #83. 3. If nothing else - if his arm takes a couple years to build up, that could dramatically drop his value to them.. Overall, a likely 3 win pitcher with multiple years of control giving them 9-12 WAR, Graterol could outearn that. Trying to figure out their logic here. Not sure I believe it but it's a case.

2 years of control vs 1?

4 teams or Twins report wrong?

Could they be taking on Price and part of his money?

They don't just agree on a single statistic there, it's literally left up to a human to make the call taking everything into account that is presented.

I can't see any way the players association and ownership are all going to come together to agree on a single standard by which all players will be evaluated.

If I had to guess - there is no fair system by which "readiness" can be judged other than the current setup because there's no clear way to evaluate that in every case. There's no means by which service time manipulation can be avoided. So, what will the players push for? They'll push for a shorter time to qualify for a full year, which they'll probably get - that way teams can't just keep a guy down for 2 weeks, but it won't be a huge difference. Since this issue is so complicated though, the players won't dwell on it, instead they'll push for a higher revenue share coming back to them and fixes to free agency such as a weakened luxury tax and/or payroll floors, which is more important for the current union.

SOB you're right. I should not do this while asking NASA for $800k in another window. My apologies I'm out.

They have 3 years left right now. 2 years left is literally next offseason.

And yet you just suggested trading Moncada and Giolito next offseason, which would be the definition of cheap.

I haven't forgotten you saying you'd be frustrated if the payroll was less than $160 million

I was wrong, they found a smart way to make it work. Deal?

Nick Madrigal struck out 16 times last year in 532 plate appearances. Yolmer struck out 117 times in 555 plate appearances. If Yolmer had struck out as few times as Madrigal, with no additional extra base hits out of those 30+ extra hits, he would have hit .280, with a .350 OBP and a near .700 OPS. That would have made him a darn near average hitter and, with good defense, a valuable player.

They absolutely are, however it was almost impossible to move him before this ruling because if he had won it would dramatically impact his trade value - 1 year of control versus 2. Any team acquiring him would want to delay until after this ruling came down to ensure they had 2 years of control before paying a fair price for that.

I'm gonna hate doing this prediction game this year because the first question in reply to any of them is "What's the ball like"? The MLB jumped by nearly 20% last year - if the whole league went down by that much because they stop using the Happy Fun Ball, then you're talking a 34 home run pace instead of a 40 home run pace over 162.

Eaton signed that deal, however, after he had already played >1 full year in the big leagues and had accrued a full year of service time. Eaton could not have signed that deal as a prospect. For Nick Madrigal, that would be the equivalent of signing a contract extension during Spring Training of 2022.

The owners will fight very hard against a notion that a guy being called up for 1 month counts as a full year of service time, so the players will have to give up something substantial as a concession for that.

So you bring the guy up exactly 3 days after the deadline, making 3 days after the deadline the "effective" deadline. Whatever deadline you try to devise as the rule, people will follow the rule you write.

The only motivation to do so right now is to have him up by day 1 rather than April 12 or whatever the target day is. If we're going to have him in the minors for some time, we need additional infield depth because someone will have to start for those first 2 weeks and then we still need a backup SS, so it can't be Mendick for both jobs.

and it wasn't just stone but that was a team that ripped itself apart.

There's a difference between calling a fan out for something dumb and saying something negative about a player who spent 5 seasons with your team. I mean, worst case scenario, someone you're thinking of signing sees that and thinks "Hey wait a second are you going to rip me if I leave" or a player on the team Yolmer is still friends with is in the locker room asking why the broadcaster is talking down on his friend just because he now can.

Yeah, but seriously why is Steve Stone, a representative of the team, being a jerk to a former player for this team?

And you're willing to bet that you can beat the Yankees without any top line free agent additions. Good luck.