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QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 31, 2017 -> 09:34 AM) That's 3 top 100 guys and Reed who was like a consensus top 30 last year. No chance they trade that much. Yeah three in the top 100, but no top 10-15 players like Moncada/Kopech. 3 guys in the 30-100 range is very different than 1 in the top 5, 1 in the top 15, etc

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 12:12 PM) I get this feeling that the Sox aren't in love with with what Pittsburgh is willing to offer for Quintana at all. If they were willing to take a deal without Bell or Meadows Q would be on the Pirates by now If Houston is making Martes and Musgrove unavailable there's no way a deal happens Beauty of all of this, is even if we go to the deadline with Q, it's very likely other prospects emerge (and others fall). So it won't be a static landscape as far as prospects available

QUOTE (oneofthemikes @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 10:21 AM) One of the guys over at Viva El Birdos cooked up a trade proposal for the Cards to end up with Q. Luke Weaver, Magneuris Sierra, Austin Gomber, Connor Jones, and Lance Lynn for Q. http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2017/1/30/1442...-trade-proposal This reminds me of the guy in fantasy football who offers his whole bench for your star RB.

I would hold out for Juan Guzman and Devon White in their prime

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 28, 2017 -> 02:15 PM) Paying Frazier for 2 years in which Sox won't be competing for his age 31 and 32 seasons doesn't really make any sense. Why do we the fans care if he's paid or not? Do we benefit if Reinsdorf spends $5mil less a year?

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 27, 2017 -> 12:36 PM) Please don't tell me people are going to start changing their opinions on potential trade packages solely based on Law's rankings... People always anchor to things like this, BA100, etc. To some extent it's all we have to go on.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jan 27, 2017 -> 09:46 AM) Just wondering how current is this listing. Benintendi had over 100 AB in Boston last year so he shouldn't be considered a prospect. Someone who gets called up and stays on MLB roster is not a prospect to me but maybe Zips uses a different criteria. Listing came out this morning

I'd probably do an Albies/Acuna/Newcomb/+ for Q

Not including the article text as it is Insider ZIPS RANK PLAYER TM PO LAW RANK 1 Dansby Swanson Braves SS 2 2 J.P. Crawford Phillies SS 5 3 Yoan Moncada White Sox 2B 17 4 Cody Bellinger Dodgers 1B 6 5 Manuel Margot Padres CF 24 6 Ozhaino Albies Braves 2B 26 7 Andrew Benintendi Red Sox LF 1 8 Gleyber Torres Yankees SS 4 9 Clint Frazier Yankees CF 27 10 Michael Kopech White Sox RHP 7 11 Brendan Rodgers Rockies SS 19 12 Austin Meadows Pirates CF 9 13 Victor Robles Nationals CF 8 14 Mitch Keller Pirates RHP 16 15 Tyler Glasnow Pirates RHP 25 16 Lewis Brinson Brewers CF 38 17 Alex Reyes Cardinals RHP 10 18 Alex Verdugo Dodgers CF 31 19 Nick Senzel Reds 3B 15 20 Willy Adames Rays SS 43 21 Jesse Winker Reds RF 49 22 Amed Rosario Mets SS 3 23 Rafael Devers Red Sox 3B 11 24 Kevin Newman Pirates SS 33 25 Isan Diaz Brewers 2B 41 26 Lucas Giolito White Sox RHP 13 27 Jharel Cotton Athletics RHP >100 28 Jeff Hoffman Rockies RHP 96 29 Francis Martes Astros RHP 37 30 Luke Weaver Cardinals RHP >100 31 Dom Smith Mets 1B 29 32 Francisco Mejia Indians C 18 33 Jose De Leon Rays RHP 73 34 Aaron Judge Yankees RF 44 35 Anderson Espinoza Padres RHP 21 36 Eloy Jimenez Cubs LF 12 37 Carson Kelly Cardinals C 51 38 Stephen Gonsalves Twins LHP 91 39 Chance Sisco Orioles C 69 40 Robert Gsellman Mets RHP 76 41 Richard Urena Blue Jays SS >100 42 Ronald Acuna Braves CF 36 43 Josh Hader Brewers LHP 71 44 Blake Rutherford Yankees CF 22 45 Kyle Tucker Astros CF 57 46 Sam Travis Red Sox 1B 98 47 Anthony Banda D'backs LHP >100 48 Brent Honeywell Rays RHP 54 49 Yohander Mendez Rangers LHP 75 50 Erick Fedde Nationals RHP >100 51 Ke'Bryan Hayes Pirates 3B 74 52 Thomas Szapucki Mets LHP 60 53 Josh Bell Pirates 1B 14 54 Franklin Perez Astros RHP 66 55 Ian Happ Cubs 2B 63 56 Dawel Lugo D'backs 3B >100 57 Mauricio Dubon Brewers SS >100 58 Kolby Allard Braves LHP 32 59 Dylan Cease Cubs RHP 86 60 A.J. Puk Athletics LHP 93 61 Yadier Alvarez Dodgers RHP 46 62 Yu-Cheng Chang Indians SS >100 63 Lourdes Gurriel Blue Jays LF >100 64 Luis Urias Padres 2B >100 65 Miguel Andujar Yankees 3B >100 66 Jeimer Candelario Cubs 3B >100 67 Raimel Tapia Rockies CF 58 68 Vlad Guerrero Jr. Blue Jays 3B 48 69 Ariel Jurado Rangers RHP 64 70 Jorge Alfaro Phillies C 45 71 Bobby Bradley Indians 1B >100 72 Johan Mieses Dodgers CF >100 73 Willie Calhoun Dodgers 2B >100 74 Franklin Barreto Athletics SS 56 75 Anthony Alford Blue Jays CF 55 76 Daniel Robertson Rays SS >100 77 Travis Demeritte Braves 2B >100 78 Ramon Laureano Astros CF >100 79 Rowdy Tellez Blue Jays 1B >100 80 Sean Newcomb Braves LHP 81 81 Kyle Lewis Mariners CF 68 82 Cal Quantrill Padres RHP 23 83 Brett Phillips Brewers CF >100 84 Nick Gordon Twins SS 53 85 David Paulino Astros RHP >100 86 Zack Collins White Sox C 95 87 Luis Castillo Reds RHP 94 88 Brandon Woodruff Brewers RHP 100 89 Raudy Read Nationals C >100 90 Alec Mills Royals RHP >100 91 Fernando Romero Twins RHP 65 92 Lucas Erceg Brewers 3B 70 93 Bradley Zimmer Indians CF >100 94 Domingo Leyba D'backs SS >100 95 Victor Caratini Cubs C >100 96 Walker Buehler Dodgers RHP 40 97 Derek Fisher Astros CF >100 98 Eliezer Alvarez Cardinals 2B >100 99 Jason Martin Astros CF >100 100 Dan Vogelbach Mariners 1B >100

Law ranks Tatis Jr 47 on his list... 47. Fernando Tatis Jr., SS/3B, San Diego Padres .....Within a few weeks, it became evident that the Padres had landed an outstanding prospect in the least-known part of the deal, as Tatis blew scouts in the AZL away and held his own at 17 in the advanced short-season Northwest League. Tatis is an advanced hitter already at 17, with great feel for the game on both sides of the ball, including a good hitting approach for that age and a strong frame (he has his father’s square shoulders) that should produce at least average power but probably more......... His hands are loose, and he has a quick transfer in the field with a plus arm, so if the body moves him to third base in time -- as is about 80 percent likely -- he has the arm for it and will be at least a 60-grade defender there..... ......... There’s risk, given his age, but we might look back on this deal in a few years and call it the Fernando Tatis trade.

re: Happ "needs to work on improving his contact rate and repeating his right-handed swing...... he ends up a multi-position guy or everyday second baseman with solid OBPs and 20 homers a year......but probably enough strikeouts to keep his average down in the .260-270 range."

Huh, based on Law's writeup of the Pirates' Ke'Bryan Hayes, he seems like a pretty solid 3B prospect. "... is an elite defensive third baseman right now...Hayes is going to post OBPs that are at least in the mid-.300s, maybe with 35 doubles and 10-12 homers, though the Pirates hope for a little more than that...."

QUOTE (Baron @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 07:16 PM) I dont like that deal for the Rays. Think they sold Forsythe a little short. Heyman "dodgers coveted buehler and alvarez more than deleon, it seemed. some other have deleon ranked higher."

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 04:51 PM) I get the lofty strikeout numbers, but I'm puzzled as to why the Cubs Dylan Cease is in the top 100 prospects after only throwing 68 innings over two seasons while walking 5.4 batters per 9 innings in rookie ball and low A ball He screams future reliever to me, and that is if he can stay healthy "Has one of the biggest fastballs in pro baseball....Cease has shown a plus breaking ball and would be fine pitching at 96-99 without trying to hit triple digits. He also has the athleticism and overall repertoire to start if he can stay healthy..."

Not pasting any of the commentary since it's for Insider subscribers... 100. Brandon Woodruff, RHP, Milwaukee Brewers 99. Robert Stephenson, RHP, Cincinnati Reds 98. Sam Travis, 1B, Boston Red Sox 97. Alex Kirilloff, OF, Minnesota Twins 96. Jeff Hoffman, RHP, Colorado Rockies 95. Zack Collins, C, Chicago White Sox 94. Luis Castillo, RHP, Cincinnati Reds 93. A.J. Puk, LHP, Oakland Athletics 92. Christin Stewart, OF, Detroit Tigers 91. Stephen Gonsalves, LHP, Minnesota Twins 90. Jahmai Jones, OF, Los Angeles Angels 89. Jack Flaherty, RHP, St. Louis Cardinals 88. Justus Sheffield, LHP, New York Yankees 87. Kohl Stewart, RHP, Minnesota Twins 86. Dylan Cease, RHP, Chicago Cubs 85. Triston McKenzie, RHP, Cleveland Indians 84. Justin Dunn, RHP, New York Mets 83. Riley Pint, RHP, Colorado Rockies 82. Matt Manning, RHP, Detroit Tigers 81. Sean Newcomb, LHP, Atlanta Braves

QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Jan 21, 2017 -> 02:47 PM) There's just no point in discussing this anymore until something actually happens. Well it is a "message board", kind of the purpose to discuss stuff like this for fun!

We've seen Hahn pull the trigger on two huge trades now (one player better than Q, and one worse). If he gets an offer somewhere in the middle of what he got for Sale and what he got for Eaton, then Q is probably dealt. I don't think this is very complicated at all. Most likely people are offering deals at or below what they got for Eaton which isn't enough for Q.

Interesting to see what the strategy is whether you try to use all $4mil+ on 1 player, or divide it up into a few, etc.

As someone who isn't as up to date on the nuances of the international FA market, can someone give me a brief summary on the White Sox's position for the '17 signing period? Do they have their full allotted money? Is this expected to be a good class? Looking back I noticed a few teams went all in and signed prospects to bigger $ deals, is this something we could expect to see out of the Sox?

QUOTE (Elgin Slim @ Jan 16, 2017 -> 03:50 PM) The best of the best Boras clients always go to FA......If you believe in Rodon,you believe he will be an ace, a bonafide #1. If that is the case, he's most definitely going to FA. That is why you trade him. Also, his control window is 1 year more than Quintana, so if it makes sense that the Sox' contention window does not include Quintana, then it does not include Rodon either. Quintana is signed through 2020, Rodon is under control through 2021 so the window really is not there. IMO Hahn should wait to trade him until he is an established TOR guy, then pounce similar to Sale. If you believe he's going to be an ace, then you wait until he's an ace to trade him, not trade him now for other prospects with similar amount of control/risk. There's really no good reason to trade him unless you're very bearish on him.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 16, 2017 -> 02:37 PM) So if a guy says he would like to sign now for a bit less than he would be able to make on the open market because he likes where he currently is and that team inked him to that deal for the sole purpose of trading his ass thats OK? That's really how you want teams to behave? Not only would the guy be getting traded, but he'd be making less than he could've if he tested the market. You do understand if this kind of situation plays out the idea of the hometown discount will completely disappear? Nobody is saying that but things change (See Sale and Eaton), and if you don't have a no trade clause then you're fair game to be traded plain and simple.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 16, 2017 -> 02:25 PM) He has an agent. He is free to negotiate any clause he wants into his contract. Its not "fraud" because the contract is going to have a merger clause that basically says "This is the entire agreement, anything not contained in this agreement means jack s***." And if his agent isnt smart enough to understand how to negotiate and draft a contract, Ill gladly take the 1-3% of $50mil and do it for him. precisely

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 16, 2017 -> 02:12 PM) Duffy signed that deal because he wanted to stay with KC it would be incredibly s***ty of them to take advantage of that to get him on a team friendly deal in an effort to up his trade value. I mean at least the Sox gave it a try with Eaton, Sale and Quintana on their deals before trading them...to exploit a guys affection for your franchise like that would probably do more harm than good in the long run. That's business dude. Nobody forces anyone to sign contracts.

So a Sox leak to Levine followed by a 'Stros leak to Rosenthal. Posturing from both sides.

My source tells me the market was quiet, and Hahn is trying to give other teams a kick in the butt to speed up the market.