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QUOTE (Pumpkin Escobar @ Aug 27, 2009 -> 03:53 PM) Dunn would be great but not both he and Thome. I know Dunn has been great for BA this year but he is usually much worse. Him hitting .220 and Thome at .250 isn't monsterous. Drawing a walk or striking out doesnt drive the run home. I am on the comment page and dont want to backtrack but I believe you or someone else mentioned that with Rios here it seems more likely Thome returns and I think thats true. Only because he is a lefty. Dye still makes more sense if one had to come back because he can DH, we can run him out in RF if we're desperate and he can play 1st too. Thome can Dh. Yuck. I meant as Thome's replacement at DH.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 27, 2009 -> 02:17 PM) Dye might get more days off, but he isn't getting benched. The reason Swisher got benched is because he acted like an idiot on a day that Ozzie gave him off. Dye is a professional, and isn't going to show up his manager or other players. Wait, what happened?

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 27, 2009 -> 02:10 PM) Ideally I'd like some fresh blood at DH and send them both packing. As mentioned before, Dunn would be nice.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Aug 27, 2009 -> 02:09 PM) Since Dye can't play RF anymore, one of those guys was going to be sent packing anyway. This is more about who occupies the DH spot than anything else. I don't know why we're having this argument or discussion. We agree. It is about who occupies the DH spot, and I believe that acquiring Rios (a righty with some pop) slides the scale toward keeping Thome because the drop off in power from the righties would be less by letting go of Dye than the drop off in power from the lefties would be if we let Thome walk.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 27, 2009 -> 02:05 PM) What did you use to check this out? Common Sense by Thomas Paine.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Aug 27, 2009 -> 01:46 PM) I see Rios as two completely different entities. Rios at the time of the trade, more meant the end of Thome as at worst, the Sox would've extended JD to play DH and probably spell a breather for Quentin or a new RF. Rios is in CF and that's the only spot he should be taking with his excellent glove and crappy bat. The way I see it, one of Thome or Dye was going to be sent packing after this season before the Rios acquisition (maybe both). With the addition of another OF with some power that swings the bat from the right side, in my opinion, Dye became the guy to walk.

QUOTE (rangercal @ Aug 27, 2009 -> 10:21 AM) It would be a shame if Ozzie did not surpass Jerry Manuel in time spent as sox manager. There are quite a few people on this forum who know they would do a better job as sox manager. Anyone know how some of these message board posters can score an interview with KW? Steve was spot-on in the other thread.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Aug 27, 2009 -> 12:03 PM) There is absolutely no reason to shut Peavy down just to shut him down. Its not some sort of arm injury where over use may hurt him. So unless the Sox are statistically eliminated you might as well have him pitch. Last I checked, a line drive off of the elbow is quite possibly an arm injury.

QUOTE (Pumpkin Escobar @ Aug 27, 2009 -> 10:58 AM) I hate to be down on this team because theyre so good on paper and I still have that hope they run off 9 in a row and then sweep the Tigers to take the thing but there is no way they bounce back from what happened this week. The teams we lost to last week and how we've lost the games this week by just blowing up is going to be too much to overcome. I think KW and AJ are right. I was one of the people who openly supported a firesale 2 years ago after 2006 when we won 90 and didnt make the playoffs. I figured Detroit and Minnesota would both hover around 90 wins+ and we'd finish third with our fading bunch of veterans and needed to sell them for youth because of the shape of our farm at that time. We lucked out and finished way worse than third - netting us Beckham. Danks and Floyd have obviously emerged to become very good players. Quentin, if he is healthy, can hopefully join that mix. Last season was a blast. The new acquisitions this year of Peavy and Rios have backed me off Kenny for being a blithering idiot and not getting youth for our veterans because he managed to do it without dealing them and I didnt think it was possible. But at this point. It's sink or swim for our vets. I dont care what Thome's OPS, I don't care that Jermaine Dye was hitting close to .300 until the All-Star break and I certainly don't give two flying tummy tucks about Jenks or anyone in that bullpen (minus Matty). If this team doesn't take this thing - then their run has ended. They no longer need or want to be here. Their is no passion out of these guys. Say what you want about Ozzie or young players but you needthat fire. Dye, Kong, Thome are too professional, too emotionless, and just seem dead right now. Maybe they don't care, maybe theyre worn down because theyre old, I don't know. I will say this. I watched David Ortiz, a guy who gets the same treatment as Thome with the shift, try to bunt the ball away from that shift last night. Maybe I am wrong again but I don't think I've ever seen Jim Thome try and even present that he was thinking about doing it. Not Jim Thome - I'm going to hit 600 homers. I don't show bunt so that it festers in the back of someones mind. And same goes for Dye. It's like this Rios thing has made him even worse because he feels like he deserves better. Play for you life - like a guy like Podsednik is doin. If you told me one of those two are coming back next season then I want Podsednik. Dye is playing like Carlos Lee did here when he refused to play for the team. Last night he pulled his head out on every swing trying to hit a homer. Put the damn ball in play. Sorry for the rant. Needed to be said. Get rid of these bums if they dont step up. Plain and simple. Nice, totally agreed.

Adam Dunn was the first person to cross my mind. I'd happily pack Thome's s*** if we could somehow land him. How probable is that, though?

Ozzie can't afford to embarrass Dye like that...apparently. It's true that we will live or die with this team. Live just left town.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Aug 27, 2009 -> 10:35 AM) Again, Rios was brought in to play CF. There is no pressing need to move Quentin to RF because the Sox don't have a viable long-term option at LF right now. The acquisition of Rios will have no impact on Dye, and your argument that it will doesn't make any sense. What WILL have an impact on Dye's future with the Sox is the following: 1. Dye's contract is up and the end of this season and he'll most likely want a multi-year deal 2. Dye will be 36 in January 3. Dye has been in a massive slump for a month and a half and he's currently sporting a very average .825 OPS 4. Dye's defense has degraded to the point where he should be relegated to DH 5. Thome is sporting an .883 OPS 6. Thome bats left-handed 7. Thome will be more open to signing a one-year deal for less guaranteed money than Dye As I said, many factors make Dye unnecessary. We seem to be in agreement. I feel that the acquisition of Rios is one of these factors, but you don't. The end.

Why does every coach on the White Sox have the status of coach-for-life?

Netflix has been pushing me to put that in my queue for a while. Well, now it looks like I will.

This makes Microsoft racist? Really?

QUOTE (LosMediasBlancas @ Aug 27, 2009 -> 12:32 AM) Glengarry Glen Ross is a man's movie. Every bit of dialouge is fantastic. Every actor is outstanding. Among my favs of all time. The scene in Awakenings were DeNiro wakes up and sees his mother is one of the few times I've cried at a movie theater. I've only watched the film once and I will never forget the effect that scene had on me. No doubt, but those three things left me feeling pretty low.

I just watched two movies from Netflix that I'd never seen. They were Glengarry Glen Ross and Awakenings. Couple that with the Sox loss (which I luckily didn't watch a second of) and I am fairly depressed.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Aug 26, 2009 -> 11:29 PM) That's not really true. LF and RF require different skill sets. LF demands more speed, but less arm strength. RF demands the opposite. This is why guys like Johnny Damon and Juan Pierre play LF and guys like JD and Vlad Guerrero play RF. Quentin is somewhere in between and can play either competently. Yes, but that has nothing to do with Rios. Kenny isn't over-paying Rios to play a corner OF position. I don't think the acquisition of Rios ALONE means that Dye is gone, but the sum of a few different factors, all of which have been repeated over and over on this site.

QUOTE (GO CHI SOX! @ Aug 26, 2009 -> 10:48 PM) I would love to see Hudson pitch and get his feet wet for next year. Might as well see what he brings to the table. Anyways, side thought- if we put Linebrink on waivers, would anyone claim him? No chance in hell.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Aug 26, 2009 -> 09:06 PM) I want to ask a serious question: Do you really believe that is what Walker tells them that? Walker is a coach on a team run by Ozzie Guillen who loves contact and small ball. Do you really believe that he has a coach who is telling the players the opposite? Or is the simplest answer that the players are just not listening to Greg Walker? Im sorry but most Sox players after they leave the Sox do not all of a sudden become amazing hitters. Most of these players are pretty set on their ways and do not really take well to coaching. And what's the use of a hitting coach who doesn't have his players' ears? Fire him either way. Somebody from the coaching staff needs to go. When a team underachieves as much as this team has/does, then management catches some of the blame.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Aug 26, 2009 -> 09:19 PM) Huh? Why does Quentin have to move to RF, when there's nobody to take his place in LF? (Unless you consider Pods an option for next year. I don't.) Rios being right-handed also has nothing to do with JD's 2010 status. His contract and play down the stretch this year do. Quentin is a natural RF, and LF is usually where you stick the worst defender (the easiest to fill). And yes, I believe it definitely has something to do with Dye's status. It's pretty obvious that at least one of Thome and Dye are gone, and since we aren't lacking in RH power, Dye is the odd man out.

Hahahaha, I like how it filters the name to Hineybird.

Come on. People are doing the same thing with Cowley as they did with Hineybird. We all know that both suck, and they mostly say things to get attention, albeit negative. People complained and complained about Hineybird, and continued to read his stuff just to see what else he had to say to piss them off. Now they do it with Cowley. Just ignore him, and he won't bother you.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Aug 26, 2009 -> 06:27 PM) I didn't know playgirl had a mostly homosexual readership either. Yeah, I just read it for the articles.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Aug 26, 2009 -> 06:19 PM) Rios was brought in to play CF, not RF. Yes, but having the viable CF for next year basically destroyed any use for Dye in 2010. Quentin now slots over to RF and, since the new acquisition is also right-handed, there's a need for a lefty power bat. That leaves Thome in and Dye out.