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Am I the only one who thinks "PED's" every time I see a record of any kind being broken in sports now?

Is WAR an actual acronym? Also, I wanted to comment on Dye's complete lack of speed. Anyone notice that play earlier when (I believe) Konerko popped out to short RF and the guy bobbled it? After Dye noticed it had been dropped and began advancing to 2B, he looked like a normal person starting to run up a hill from a complete standstill.

QUOTE (Markbilliards @ Aug 16, 2009 -> 09:09 PM) Where do you rank the current Sox players against one another in terms of defense for their primary position from best to worst? Consider his range, fielding, arm, and brain. Here are my rankings Best Alex Rios (range, fielding, arm) Jayson Nix (fielding, range) Brent Lillibridge (fielding, range) Dewayne Wise (range) Mark Kotsay (fielding) Paul Konerko (range, fielding) AJ Pierzynski (fielding, brain) Gordon Beckham (lacks range, everything else average) Alexei Ramirez (arm, range, but not brain nor fielding ability) Carlos Quentin (lacks range, everything else average) Jermaine Dye (arm) Scott Podsednik (ability to prance) Worst I have not seen enough of Castro to rank him. Thome and pitchers are not worth talking about. Who would you guys think is worst and best? If that's the case, can you really rank Rios at the very top? I understand that Rios is great defensively according to all of the stats, but I really know nothing about it because I haven't seen much of him in the field.

Hawk absolutely hates Ramirez. You can just tell.

QUOTE (SouthsideDon48 @ Aug 16, 2009 -> 12:11 PM) In that inning where Alexei committed that error when he tried to get that ball that should've been caught by Nix, Contreras ended that inning with a strikeout. That tells me he still has something. Because he struck a batter out?

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Aug 16, 2009 -> 06:28 AM) This "sanctity of the game" stuff really gets annoying after a while because so often it seems brutally disingenuous. When f***ing trash like Bud Selig and Jay Hineybird talk about the game having a sacredness, and how records and historic performances in baseball hold more significance than they do in other sports, they don't really mean that s***. They're complete liars. Pro sports = $$$$$$ and not much else for a lot of these guys whose records are supposed to be sacred. For instance, Manny Ramirez was making like $22M per year or whatever to lope around LF like a f***wad, and challenge clubhouses attendants to fights, and load up on roids, and skip games, and quit on his team, etc. Meanwhile Ernie Young has spent practically his entire career playing hard in the minors helping young prospects learn and just waiting for another shot. I guarantee Manny's records mean a lot more to Ernie Young than to Manny himself as a result. But what I'm getting at is this sanctity of the game s*** really doesn't apply to many people - and many if not most of the people who crow on and on about it are only lying to themselves and trying to be part of the "in-crowd" that places an absurd level of importance upon any sport and any athlete. I mean, just considering abandoning the sport over an esteemed player roiding is childish - it's like if you don't get what you want, you just cry and go home. What adult thinks like that? What adult actually considers Derek Jeter - or any athlete - a f***ing hero? That is ridiculous. This guy wouldn't quit watching baseball over Jeter roiding, and if for some reason he did, it would be either because he's a complete p**** who is WAY too close to Jeter's nutsac or it would be because he never loved the game as much as he preached to begin with. Look, it f***ing blows that Bonds* broke Aaron's record. It f***ing blows that Roger Clemens' entire career numbers will be viewed as tainted. But to me, what really f***ing sucks about it is not where their numbers rank with or without the asterisk, but it's the fact that I know they cannot appreciate where they stand. Barry Bonds cheated because he wanted to reach a number only, same with Clemens. If Bonds for example gave two s***s about Hank Aaron's career he would have tried to pass it with honor and as a result wouldn't have taken anything. Bonds, by cheating and out of total selfishness, put himself one peg higher in the record books than a man who dealt with rampant racism and whose home runs came in an era of larger ballparks and without the juiced ball and who also played in an era where players didn't make the same kinds of salaries they do now and therefore would have viewed playing the game of baseball for a living as more of a privilege than a job. That's what gets me about the roiders. They have so much in today's game that gives them an advantage naturally just through improved medicine and a more powerful union, and they make so much more money, that they should at least try to respect the game somewhat. So when they cheat to break a major record they're just doing it for personal satisfaction and they don't care about the player whose record they're usurping. Fifty years from now none of this will matter. Most all of these roiders are going into the HOF, if not by the same journalists who are b****ing now (and who will suddenly have a change of heart when it comes to someone like ARod) then the roiders will be elected by the veterans committees. Most of the old players' records will all be broken and the new ones will appear artificial anyway, and future generations aren't going to remember who cheated when and where, nor will they care. Ultimately as a fan it sucks that this has gone on, but the problem isn't irreparable so long as Commissioner Sweepitundertherug actually does what he should do and release all the names to protect those who were NOT caught using and do whatever it takes to come up with a system for testing for HGH. But although that's not going to happen anytime soon, it could happen in the future. Either way, looking down on the game itself and giving up on the game itself because of the selfish actions of some overpaid celebrity just because you feel victimized for stupidly idolizing him is only something a p**** would do. Very nicely put.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 15, 2009 -> 10:51 PM) The Royals aren't a good team and Tuesday probably isn't a big game. But Freddy will still be sweaty! I may be mistaken, but I recall Freddy's stats are either great or terrible against the Royals. For some reason, though, I may be mixing them up with the Angels (who he owns).

QUOTE (rockren @ Aug 15, 2009 -> 06:30 PM) Hopefully that will encourage Jim to come back to the South Side next year and play at a discounted price. Looking forward, we could very well need his left handed power bat next year. I think he's coming back for sure.

QUOTE (b-Rye @ Aug 15, 2009 -> 06:10 PM) Paul Bonerko Chayson Dix The Cuban Airhead If those two players were more famous nationally, I guarantee those would be names of actual porn stars.

Who does Danks face tomorrow? I forget who it was, but someone said it'd be tough for Thome to reach #600 next year. The guy just needs to hit 7 more this year to make it an even 30 next year. That seems quite attainable to me.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Aug 15, 2009 -> 02:55 PM) At the very least, he's done nothing to keep it. He had an open checkbook for free agents, his best young players were developed under Phillips and Duquette, his team got punked an by inferior Cardinals squad in the '06 NLCS, and the way that he dangled Willie Randolph in front of the NY media to deflect attention away from himself was classless. Yes, that's what I meant.

I can't even stand it anymore. I am going to put someone on ignore on Soxtalk for the first time ever.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 15, 2009 -> 12:47 PM) I'm just trying to make a point. The guy says he should NEVER be up late in a game. He beat the f***ing Yankees. So he should be up late in a game. If he's not up late in that game we may lose it and all losses now are crucial (see the Pods pick off game). His argument seems lame to me when he's already beaten somebody good with a late hit. Jesus titty-f***ing Christ, you really have no concept of logic whatsoever.

I'm watching Ray for the first time. I didn't realize Ray Charles was such a scumbag. And while looking him up on Wikipedia, I also found out he had 12 kids with 9 different women. Really altered my perception of the guy.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 15, 2009 -> 12:38 PM) Don't mess with Hawk's pubes. The thought alone is terrifying.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 15, 2009 -> 12:40 PM) Except when we play the first place Yankees and he can line a hit to win the game. and somebody said also: Why, when everyone else on the site is in agreement on something, is there always one person who refuses to see things that are incredibly obvious? This is no shot at Reddy, but there's always that one guy who goes against the entire site for some reason that nobody understands. Uh, that's life. People see the facts and make up their own minds. It's what makes life interesting. Why should everybody read a thread and then everybody agree on the same stance?? Ugh, so one hit in a career of absolute mediocrity (actually mediocre is giving Wise's career WAY too much credit) makes him a good pinch hitter? The sun shines on a dog's ass once in a while. A broken clock is right twice a day. Etc.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Aug 15, 2009 -> 09:00 AM) woohoo! and no, not meant to be green. Why, when everyone else on the site is in agreement on something, is there always one person who refuses to see things that are incredibly obvious? This is no shot at Reddy, but there's always that one guy who goes against the entire site for some reason that nobody understands.

QUOTE (hawkubes @ Aug 15, 2009 -> 05:05 AM) If Contreras has a decent defense behind him last night, he has a great outing. I will take Contreras as a no. 5 starter any day. So, you're saying he wouldn't have imploded in a later inning? You know, as he has done his last few starts.

QUOTE (DBAHO @ Aug 15, 2009 -> 01:50 AM) First of all you make sure that he's completely healthy and throwing at the same velocity as he was before the injury. Don't want another B.J Ryan situation here. But also Minaya is under a LOT of pressure in NY, and there are big rumors that he'll be replaced as GM at the end of the season, so I wonder what impact that would have on negotiations. And rightfully so. The guy has done nothing to earn that job.

I don't think he's looked dominant in the first few innings. To me, it seems like he just gets away with some mistakes that eventually catch up to him. He may be dominant in the first inning, but it seems he gets hit harder and harder with each passing inning.

Carrasco has saved us three games in a row now, I believe. The man is key part of our success.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Aug 14, 2009 -> 10:28 PM) jesus you people are ridiculous tonight. EVERY team runs out guys like Contreras on a weekly basis. he's been an adequate 5th starter this year and came back from a massive injury. give the guy a f***ing break. without the errors he'd have given up 1 or 2 at most. I was about to leave, but then I saw this post. The bold part is blatantly false. His ERA was over 5, even before tonight. Now I'm gone.

And they bend over and go down 1-2-3. Time to watch a movie. See you guys later.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Aug 14, 2009 -> 10:25 PM) what the f***? without the errors the score wouldn't be NEARLY as bad. whats with the hatred towards jose? Because he is a wretched pitcher.

OH GOD, now we won't hear the end of the "homer" by Rios from Hawk.