Milkman delivers

I was always a fan of Larry. I'm not sure why, perhaps it was just his look or mannerisms, but he also seemed to have the best one-liners.

QUOTE (beck72 @ Aug 20, 2009 -> 07:13 AM) For all the Nix backers, who talk about his potential, has anyone seen his minor league numbers, that include 2 years in AA, and 3 years in AAA playing in the thin air of CO? In 3250 minor league AB's, he's hit .261/.332/.415. He is what he is-a decent backup who would be/ is being exposed once he gets regular playing time. It would be a huge jump for him to even become a decent starter. I for one want a starter to be better than a .228 hitter. In fairness he should be able to improve on his avg. in the coming years, as this is his first extended time in the bigs. Yet the same holds true for Getz, and he should be able to improve on his .267 avg. Seeing how Getz has handled big league pitching in his first year, as well as his minor league numbers [in 1420 ab's, he's hit .286/.361/.381], it's very plausible Getz could that could be a starter for a number of teams beside the Pirates and Nats of the baseball world, which are the type of teams Nix could possibly start for. This question of Getz / Nix is very confusing. The sox in previous years had been a all-or-nothing offense, prone to long slumps, high in strikeouts, overly reliant on the HR to score. Yet the sox have a guy who is the polar opposite of that, a guy who makes very consistent contact, hits for avg., and people want to go back to a younger Juan Uribe?! I don't get it. I could see wanting to improve on Getz. He may not hit more than .280 and post a .350 OBP. In my world, I want someone for 2b who can do that, as they aren't power hitters. But Jayson Nix isn't an improvement over Getz, not for the type of team the Sox are trying to build right now, with the power hitters in Dye, Thome and PK. When Getz returns, he should get the bulk of playing time. QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 20, 2009 -> 07:18 AM) Ironic that on a board that has been b****ing for years and years about an "all or nothing approach" there's a thread about an injury to a guy who can do a lot of things being a good thing because it gives a prototypical all or nothing hitter more playing time. f***ing right. This is exactly how I feel.

I don't want to rain on the parade, but there have been hundreds of supposed "turning points" for this team in the last decade, both positive and negative.

I am all for looking deeper into baseball than just "what my eyes tell me," but dear God, there are just way too many statistics in baseball.

QUOTE (knightni @ Aug 19, 2009 -> 03:39 PM) Nats GM Mike Rizzo getting fired. Honestly, I have never heard that name before. Shows how much attention I've paid to the Nats.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Aug 19, 2009 -> 09:29 AM) You were a douchebag by interjecting and calling me one. I've read how I've been speaking to others, too...and it's really no different than how they spoke to me. They're all right, I'm all wrong. We have differing opinions on the Packers, Vikings, Bears, Steelers and the NFL as a whole...and so what...I can dish it, I can take it...I don't see it as a bad thing. People are passionate about football, I think it's a good thing. I said you were acting like a douchebag in the thread, and it's hard to argue that you weren't when you go back and read the things you've said. These are the things that get people suspended, so just take my advice and tone it down a notch. I don't want anything to do with this argument.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Aug 19, 2009 -> 09:24 AM) Someone that admits when they were misinformed and wrong...yes, that's a bad thing around here, I forgot. Speaking of douchebags -- look in a mirror. I haven't even been involved in this conversation, so I don't see how I've been a douchebag. I have read how you have been speaking towards other people in this thread, though, and it comes off really badly.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Aug 19, 2009 -> 09:19 AM) Hehe... Another typical Da Bears fan. You and your kind are really laughable, especially after reading this...it's just laughable. Yes, the Vikings suck. The Bears are going to win the division by going 16-0. Wake up now. Dreams over. Why are you being such a douchebag in this thread? And who are you to mock other fans when you admitted yourself that you didn't even know your starting QB signed a 6-year extension?

Why do all of our third base coaches suck?

For a day or two, I actually forgot why I never wanted to see Freddy pitch for the White Sox again. I am now reminded why I thought that, and I reiterate that I never want to see Freddy throw another pitch for the Chicago White Sox.

His ERA will be ∞ after the game.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 18, 2009 -> 02:33 PM) Maybe he'll go back to his PEDs again and look more pudgy. No, no, no. Rodriguez lost all of that weight before the regular season steroid testing of 2005 because he wanted to be more mobile behind the plate.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 18, 2009 -> 04:59 PM) Did Frank ever demand his own private locker room? Favre demanded his own locker room? Wow.

Did someone say Nix is a better hitter than Getz?

It's a nice relief to have won this game. We really need it. How did the Tigers do? On another note, go to Hell, Linebrink. You are nothing short of terrible. And these are the kind of games that make me think Buehrle will never win a Cy Young. He has a tendency to go through stretches where he's awful, and he's the master of giving back the lead when in that funk.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 17, 2009 -> 07:25 PM) KW says underachievers, per the Tribune: By Dave van Dyck Rain was falling as U. S. Cellular Field, delaying the start of a White Sox homestand Monday night against Kansas City. General manager Kenny Williams got the evening off to a pointed start by criticizing his team after a 3-3 road trip to Seattle and Oakland. "I'm not happy with the road trip," Williams said. "We lost two games we should have won, which [would put] us in first place by a half game. We've thrown away about a dozen games this year, where we would be where I thought we would be, which is in first place and in a good position "But we deserved what we got. I'm not happy with a lot of what I see. We're underachievers." Kenny must be even angrier after today's win.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 17, 2009 -> 12:16 PM) Bingo Also agreed.

QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Aug 17, 2009 -> 09:49 AM) Bingo. The Sox don't exactly have a huge road following or anything, but we're as low as we are due to factors well beyond our control (is it any surprise a team like Baltimore is ahead of us, for example, when they get to play 3 road series a piece at NY and BOS, while we're at KC and CLE?). But then again, we get to play the Royals and Indians more often, so you give and take.

Am I the only one who thinks "PED's" every time I see a record of any kind being broken in sports now?

Is WAR an actual acronym? Also, I wanted to comment on Dye's complete lack of speed. Anyone notice that play earlier when (I believe) Konerko popped out to short RF and the guy bobbled it? After Dye noticed it had been dropped and began advancing to 2B, he looked like a normal person starting to run up a hill from a complete standstill.

QUOTE (Markbilliards @ Aug 16, 2009 -> 09:09 PM) Where do you rank the current Sox players against one another in terms of defense for their primary position from best to worst? Consider his range, fielding, arm, and brain. Here are my rankings Best Alex Rios (range, fielding, arm) Jayson Nix (fielding, range) Brent Lillibridge (fielding, range) Dewayne Wise (range) Mark Kotsay (fielding) Paul Konerko (range, fielding) AJ Pierzynski (fielding, brain) Gordon Beckham (lacks range, everything else average) Alexei Ramirez (arm, range, but not brain nor fielding ability) Carlos Quentin (lacks range, everything else average) Jermaine Dye (arm) Scott Podsednik (ability to prance) Worst I have not seen enough of Castro to rank him. Thome and pitchers are not worth talking about. Who would you guys think is worst and best? If that's the case, can you really rank Rios at the very top? I understand that Rios is great defensively according to all of the stats, but I really know nothing about it because I haven't seen much of him in the field.

Hawk absolutely hates Ramirez. You can just tell.

QUOTE (SouthsideDon48 @ Aug 16, 2009 -> 12:11 PM) In that inning where Alexei committed that error when he tried to get that ball that should've been caught by Nix, Contreras ended that inning with a strikeout. That tells me he still has something. Because he struck a batter out?

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Aug 16, 2009 -> 06:28 AM) This "sanctity of the game" stuff really gets annoying after a while because so often it seems brutally disingenuous. When f***ing trash like Bud Selig and Jay Hineybird talk about the game having a sacredness, and how records and historic performances in baseball hold more significance than they do in other sports, they don't really mean that s***. They're complete liars. Pro sports = $$$$$$ and not much else for a lot of these guys whose records are supposed to be sacred. For instance, Manny Ramirez was making like $22M per year or whatever to lope around LF like a f***wad, and challenge clubhouses attendants to fights, and load up on roids, and skip games, and quit on his team, etc. Meanwhile Ernie Young has spent practically his entire career playing hard in the minors helping young prospects learn and just waiting for another shot. I guarantee Manny's records mean a lot more to Ernie Young than to Manny himself as a result. But what I'm getting at is this sanctity of the game s*** really doesn't apply to many people - and many if not most of the people who crow on and on about it are only lying to themselves and trying to be part of the "in-crowd" that places an absurd level of importance upon any sport and any athlete. I mean, just considering abandoning the sport over an esteemed player roiding is childish - it's like if you don't get what you want, you just cry and go home. What adult thinks like that? What adult actually considers Derek Jeter - or any athlete - a f***ing hero? That is ridiculous. This guy wouldn't quit watching baseball over Jeter roiding, and if for some reason he did, it would be either because he's a complete p**** who is WAY too close to Jeter's nutsac or it would be because he never loved the game as much as he preached to begin with. Look, it f***ing blows that Bonds* broke Aaron's record. It f***ing blows that Roger Clemens' entire career numbers will be viewed as tainted. But to me, what really f***ing sucks about it is not where their numbers rank with or without the asterisk, but it's the fact that I know they cannot appreciate where they stand. Barry Bonds cheated because he wanted to reach a number only, same with Clemens. If Bonds for example gave two s***s about Hank Aaron's career he would have tried to pass it with honor and as a result wouldn't have taken anything. Bonds, by cheating and out of total selfishness, put himself one peg higher in the record books than a man who dealt with rampant racism and whose home runs came in an era of larger ballparks and without the juiced ball and who also played in an era where players didn't make the same kinds of salaries they do now and therefore would have viewed playing the game of baseball for a living as more of a privilege than a job. That's what gets me about the roiders. They have so much in today's game that gives them an advantage naturally just through improved medicine and a more powerful union, and they make so much more money, that they should at least try to respect the game somewhat. So when they cheat to break a major record they're just doing it for personal satisfaction and they don't care about the player whose record they're usurping. Fifty years from now none of this will matter. Most all of these roiders are going into the HOF, if not by the same journalists who are b****ing now (and who will suddenly have a change of heart when it comes to someone like ARod) then the roiders will be elected by the veterans committees. Most of the old players' records will all be broken and the new ones will appear artificial anyway, and future generations aren't going to remember who cheated when and where, nor will they care. Ultimately as a fan it sucks that this has gone on, but the problem isn't irreparable so long as Commissioner Sweepitundertherug actually does what he should do and release all the names to protect those who were NOT caught using and do whatever it takes to come up with a system for testing for HGH. But although that's not going to happen anytime soon, it could happen in the future. Either way, looking down on the game itself and giving up on the game itself because of the selfish actions of some overpaid celebrity just because you feel victimized for stupidly idolizing him is only something a p**** would do. Very nicely put.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 15, 2009 -> 10:51 PM) The Royals aren't a good team and Tuesday probably isn't a big game. But Freddy will still be sweaty! I may be mistaken, but I recall Freddy's stats are either great or terrible against the Royals. For some reason, though, I may be mixing them up with the Angels (who he owns).