Milkman delivers

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 1, 2009 -> 12:52 AM) OP says we're getting money. Optimus Prime?

QUOTE (tommy @ Sep 1, 2009 -> 12:38 AM) I was just going to ask.. have we waived the white flag? I would say so, yes.

Another thing I'm glad to see is that KW obviously has packed it in for the season. We don't have to continue watching throughout September with that "we're still in this thing" mentality.

OK, I see how they got very damn good value for Contreras, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this Hynick guy will never turn into anything good.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Sep 1, 2009 -> 12:07 AM) I don't see it that way. From my understanding if Dye would have been moved he would have had his 12m automatically picked up, so to move him the Sox would probably of had to eat a ton of that contract next year. He'll play the month out and file for FA, Sox won't offer him arb. and he and Thome will probably both be out there Well, that's good news. My ideal is going to be picking up Adam Dunn somehow.

Jim Thome is obviously one of the classiest guys in the game. It's sad to see him go on that level, plus the fact that this means we'll likely sign Dye for DH next year. It's a shame that we couldn't accomplish anything major during Thome's tenure here, so maybe he can get something with the Dodgers. It was nice too see him hit #500 for us, and would've been nice to see #600, but the rest of his tenure here was pretty fruitless.

I truly appreciate the World Series and his hard work throughout the years, but thank the Lord he's gone.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Aug 31, 2009 -> 10:26 PM) Philly didn't win a playoff game in either of Rowand's years with the club and then won the WS immediately after he left. SF sucked last year with Rowand. They have improved dramatically this year because they have 2 starting pitchers who are among the best 5 in baseball and that never lose and then their bullpen has been outstanding. I'm sure Rowand contributing to the 3rd worst offense in the NL has had a lot more to do with SF's success this year than the fact that they have the 2nd lowest ERA in the NL and 2 Cy Young contenders. I'm sure Rowand's intangibles is what has led SF to drop their ERA by over 1 run per game this year. Yeah, that is exactly why they have improved so much.

QUOTE (Paint it Black @ Aug 31, 2009 -> 09:06 PM) Underachieved in 2005, really? I mean they won 90 games in 2006 and missed the playoffs because Detroit was just better. 2007 was a bad year, mainly because they were a bad team. The fact that in 2008 Ozzie got that pile of garbage into the playoffs is very respectable, IMO. Clearly I meant they have underachieved since they won the World Series. And yes, they underachieved in 2006 by blowing the division.

I have been napping all night, so this is brand new to me. I haven't read any of this thread yet, but I assume this means we re-sign Dye for DH. I do not like that.

QUOTE (The Critic @ Aug 31, 2009 -> 05:40 PM) OK, I can't even understand that one. QUOTE (Brian @ Aug 31, 2009 -> 09:42 PM) LOL @ Shockmaster Ha, what?

QUOTE (The Critic @ Aug 31, 2009 -> 05:33 PM) I see what you did there.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Aug 31, 2009 -> 01:07 PM) Because if his teaching skills (or lack thereof) aren't the problem, what's the point in getting rid of him? Replacing an offensive coordinator on a football team will drastically change an offense's performance (one way or the other). Replacing Walker will alter the Sox's offense about as much as replacing Jeff Cox. Instead of scapegoating Walker, I'd be looking to address the real problem: the players. That likely would improve the offensive output.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Aug 31, 2009 -> 12:24 PM) It's too bad that Perry had so many injury issues. Dude was pretty talented. And I'd say clutch, too. He was also one of the few players to show up in that Mariners ALDS series.

QUOTE (flavum @ Aug 31, 2009 -> 10:04 AM) So he noted that Hudson isn't on the 40-man, but he didn't note that Flowers isn't either? Stone thinks he's a lot smarter than he really is. Someone will have to be dropped from the 40-man when Flowers contract is purchased from Charlotte. My guess is Colon is an easy move to make. Perhaps you're correct, but he's one of the best in-game analysts going.

I'll echo my sentiments in the KW poll thread. I voted for Ozzie being on the hot seat next year. He's put together a few good seasons as a manager, but let's face the fact that his teams have vastly underachieved since 2005. So, if next year ends up being another bust, then it's time to cut him loose.

The blame game! Walker! Walker, Walker bo Balker Bonana fanna fo Falker Fee fy mo Malker, Walker! This thread doesn't even interest me. I haven't read any posts in it, but I still wanted to throw this in there.

Back to serious discussion. Has this clown been banned yet?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 31, 2009 -> 09:09 AM) Honestly, I can see Kenny offering both JD and Thome a smallish extention, and keeping the first guy to sign it. Ehhh, yeah, you're right. I can see that happening, but I don't think I'd like it.

Can someone tell me the percentage of games Rios has started since being acquired?

QUOTE (Allsox @ Aug 30, 2009 -> 04:03 PM) Rios has been bad this yr but it's possible he can rebound next yr and at least we don't have to wonder who's playing CF for awhile. I really believe Kenny's gonna get Figgins, play him at 3B and switch Beckham to SS with Alexei back to 2B. I also see him signing back Thome (We need some Lefty Thunder) and letting Dye go (Dye's last two 2nd halves have been awful and Figgins fills the leadoff spot perfectly.) He can maybe sign back Pods to bat in the 2-hole and play SOME LF with him gone by the 7th inning. Otherwise, I have lots of faith in Kenny to make us a better ballclub next yr. I guess I can see the Sox acquiring Figgins, but it'll cost us. And if we do get Figgins...hell, even if we don't, I think Alexei more than likely will be gone. I agree with the rest of your post. I voted for Kenny being on the hot seat next year. He's put together a solid team for the 2010 season on paper, but let's face the fact that his teams have vastly underachieved since 2005. So, if next year ends up being another bust, then it's time to cut him loose.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Aug 30, 2009 -> 04:37 PM) He's one of the bad cops - guy with the big nose and kind of balding head. He's in the car with Al Pacino about 30 or so minutes in? And again in a few scenes later. Hell, I haven't watched it so long I don't remember. He was in Scarface too - he worked with Al Pacino in 3 or 4 films. In Scarface, he's the cop that busts him when they're counting money. Damn, I wish I didn't already send it back. I'd like to have found that scene.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 31, 2009 -> 06:17 AM) Unless something crazy happens this last month, I think Greinke should be a lock to win it. He's clearly been the best pitcher in the AL from start to finish. Even when he was 'struggling' in the middle of the season he was still pitching better than the majority of pitchers in baseball. He's got a lot going against him, though. One, he only has 13 wins. It's a shame. He's gotten some of the crappiest run support in baseball, and the defense behind him is well below average. Two, he's not a Yankee or Red Sock. Which means less deserving guys like Sabathia or Beckett could steal the award. I completely agree with you on all of that. And it would piss me off so much to see Beckett steal it.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Aug 30, 2009 -> 01:38 PM) <!--quoteo(post=1999773:date=Aug 30, 2009 -> 01:21 PM:name=whitesoxfan101)-->QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Aug 30, 2009 -> 01:21 PM) <!--quotec-->That's not a very good statement about the 3rd basemen we've had in your time as a fan (and I know you have been a Sox fan for quite a while). It's definitely an indictment on the team's inability to fill the 3B position with a competent everyday player. Playing for the Sox from 1965 to 2009, played 70% of games at 3B, requiring at least 100 G, sorted by greatest OPS+: (100 = league average) OPS+ GAMES 1. 117 1254 Robin Ventura 2. 115 976 Bill Melton 3. 114 329 Eric Solderholm 4. 101 201 Herbert Perry 5. 93 798 Joe Crede 6. 90 410 Vance Law 7. 85 196 Josh Fields f***ing right, dude.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Aug 30, 2009 -> 09:42 AM) He was demoted to the bullpen again yesterday, according to Gonzalez. Let's see if it sticks this time.