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QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Sep 27, 2009 -> 01:13 PM) Attendance has been down about 2000 per game compared to last year....but I'm not even talking about numbers. Its attitude and actions that prevail. There are a lot of "White Sox fans" (and I use that term loosely) that I wish would convert to the "other team" in town. I'd rather have 50% of the fans and have them give 100% support to the team than to have 100% of our current fans who only deliver 50% support (if we're lucky). Attitudes prevail upon an organization....I don't care if the environment is an office or a ballpark. If you're a real fan of this organization, you are planning for the 2010 World Series now (although I've already seen people on this board dismissing our chances next season before a game is ever played). Again, wow.

QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Sep 27, 2009 -> 12:08 PM) I don't know the particulars of last night crowd....therefore, I didn't comment on it at all. What I said was that most fans "checked out" of this season months ago and all one has to do is look at the archives of this board to see it. As for "fans motivating players" vs. "players motivating fans", I think its a mutual relationship and both should motivate each other. You can contend the players haven't done their job this year (and I'd agree), but I think the "fan support" overall this season has been horrendous and absolutely killed our prospects of saving the season. When most fans are saying things like "you suck", "get rid of them all", and "this team has no chance to win", its definitely not motivating to the team you support. I don't care who you are....when you hear something enough, you start to believe it (why do you think a lot of people think people buy snuggies? because they view enough commercials that tell them its a comfortable item to wear while watching TV). Most kids who get bad grades in school do so because peers or teachers label them as "dumb" and they tend to believe so. I know Ozzie does a lot to try and motivate this team and get them to believe in their abilities. However, when its the voice of 1 vs. an entire fan base, he's fighting a losing battle. Losing sucks....but as Ozzie said in his post game comments its part of the game. However, if the fan base accepts it, the players will too. If you want change, than motivate them to do so.....don't tear down the morale of the team and infiltrate the organization with more of the "we suck" attitude. Haha, wow.

Genesis - Misunderstanding Joe Diffie - Prop Me Up (Beside The Jukebox) Keith Whitley - Homecoming '63 Meat Loaf - You Took The Words Right Out Of My Mouth George Strait - Marina Del Rey Cream - White Room Led Zeppelin - Thank You Joe Diffie - Bigger Than The Beatles George Strait - I'll See You On The Other Side Pennywise - Bro Hymn Tribute

I always liked him, but he needs to stay healthy.

George Thorogood - Who Do You Love Billy Joel - Uptown Girl Third Eye Blind - Jumper Joy To The World (Christmas Song...sounds like Bing Crosby) Ultimo Dragon's entrance music Adam Sandler - The Chanukah Song Manfred Mann - Do Wah Diddy Diddy Paper Lace - The Night Chicago Died Quiet Riot - Bang Your Head (Metal Health) Billy Vera & The Beaters - At This Moment (I owe this song to Family Guy...they can have it back)

QUOTE (Brian @ Sep 24, 2009 -> 10:26 AM) Same. Modern Family was funny. Cougar Town was absolutely awful. FLASHFORWARD tonight! A bad Courteney Cox show? Get outta town!

QUOTE (mmmmmbeeer @ Sep 23, 2009 -> 07:28 PM) I never said they weren't true nor did I say that people shouldn't mention them, I said it was ridiculous to bring them up as causes for his failures as both were also true when he faced 41 consecutive batters without allowing a hit. They also were true when he came in as a rookie and was clutch in the postseason. In '07 before the trade deadline, before Buehrle was extended, I was one of very few posters on this site to bring up the idea that we should not only trade Buehrle, but also trade Jenks and get a boatload of talent for him. I find it funny that there was so little discussion of trading him then, when he was doing well, but now that he has a bad season everyone wants to trade that "fat tub of lard" at the worst possible moment. The guy who brought up the Mariners is spot on. Those things are causes for failure at some point. You can probably pitch a few great seasons with a screw in your arm and being obese, but it's going to catch up with you. That might be what is currently happening.

You just know that, if we sign Abreu as the DH, the person who starts in RF will get hurt early on and Abreu will be back out there.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Sep 23, 2009 -> 04:08 PM) I don't believe that anybody is "sure" of that. Bobby put up a 4.00 ERA and a 1.39 WHIP in 2006. We would've felt pretty stupid if we traded him at that point. I'm not talking about anybody on this board. I'm saying that if the organization is "sure" that any player is going to be falling off very shortly, then it is in their best interest to trade him. I have no idea what the organization thinks of Bobby in that regard, but neither do you. That is a valid reason to trade someone, though.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Sep 23, 2009 -> 02:31 PM) I have no idea if Thornton would be more or less effective than Bobby is a closer role, but Thornton sure as heck is an unknown in that role. Do you role the dice on him in a year where you're sporting the best rotation in the bigs? I don't unless I'm financially constrained and have no other choice. One of the main arguments against Jenks is that he's "not worth" the $7M or so that he'll command next year. So what? Is Konerko worth $10M in today's market? No. Do we need a good OPS guy in the middle of the lineup? Yes. Is Rios worth $10M? No. Do we need somebody who can hit and play CF competently? Yes. I just don't see the problem in keeping Jenks around one more year. If he has another down year, THEN you dump him. The ability to force a successful player to go on a year-by-year contructual basis for a few seasons is a luxury, given the minimal financial risk. The argument that we should trade Bobby now before his trade value falls any lower is also misplaced. This is a baseball team, not an investment firm. The goal is to put together a winning team, not sell off assets at their point of highest value. If that logic applied to MLB, Kenny would be fielding offers for Danks and Beckham right now. Heck, look at how the Angels kept Figgins through all of his arb-eligible years, despite the fact that they could've dealt him for a nice package and saved millions a couple of years ago. Trading away a guy who has high market value for non-ML-ready prospects only makes sense if (1) you don't anticipate being competitive for more than a year or (2) there is somebody else who can step up and fill that role. Neither of those scenarios fit the Sox right now. Or (3), if you're sure the guy is going downhill at a very fast pace and he currently has some value in trade.

QUOTE (mmmmmbeeer @ Sep 23, 2009 -> 02:06 PM) Damn...unreal the hatred for Bobby. He's not had a great season by any means but he hasn't been JD or Linebrink bad, not even close. I for one hope he is back next year because that's one helluva tough position to fill. Seems everyone thinks Thornton can just step in and succeed....that's no sure thing, nor is there any sure thing to backfill the LH setup roll. All these "fat tub of lard" and "screw in his arm" crap is ridiculous. The guy was big when he was very successful and he's big now...it has nothing to do with anything. We've also got absolutely zero evidence that his arm has been or will be a problem. Those are both 100% true. People can mention them as much as they want. QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 23, 2009 -> 02:23 PM) I don't know of any study, but I have certainly seen examples of guys transitioning to closing from mid-late relief and failing for no apparent mechanical or stuff reasons. Being a closer simply takes a different player-personality type. Thornton may or may not succeed, I do not know, but I wouldn't bet on it. Its not about stuff (though keep in mind that Thornton is a 95% one pitch pitcher), its about attitude and approach. That's another reason - hard to replace Thornton in the role he is already in. On the other hand, haven't a lot of the better closers been set-up men?

I wanted to lose as many games as possible a few weeks ago, when most of us knew we were out of it. Now that we all know we're out of it, I still want them to lose as much as possible.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Sep 22, 2009 -> 11:32 PM) Who's our new closer? Thornton? Eh, we'll need to be leading in the late innings to necessitate a closer. That shouldn't be a problem for the rest of the year.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 22, 2009 -> 10:20 PM) Did he eat one? Haha, perfect. First response made it even better.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 22, 2009 -> 03:50 PM) I like to think it's higher than that. He's a great player if you use him as a backup, late inning pinch hitter, and stopgap starter for DLed players, but if he's brought back for much more than that, it could turn into a pretty bad resigning. I like to think Ozzie has learned from the days of Erstad. I'm not sure about that.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 22, 2009 -> 01:28 PM) I'm so unique. HowManyOfMe.com There are or fewer people with my name in the U.S.A. How many have your name? Does this mean they might consider killing you in the near future? 1 or fewer?

Only 4 people with my full name, 1 or fewer with my first name shortened. My last name is the 24,598th most popular last name.

QUOTE (The Bones @ Sep 22, 2009 -> 12:54 AM) So, I know that nobody cares about the emmys, including me, but I was glad to see Michael Emerson and Kristin Chenoweth both win last night. I was glad to see Bryan Cranston win again.

QUOTE (MHizzle85 @ Sep 22, 2009 -> 12:29 AM) Well, actually the original ECW theme is White Zombie's "Thunder Kiss '65" Youngbloodz & Lil' Jon - Damn 213 - Lonely Girl Rob Base & DJ EZ Rock - It Takes Two Kanye West - Stronger Lupe Fiasco - Failure 50 Cent - Pimpin' Part II Clipse - Ain't Cha Akon - Holla Holla (feat. T-Pain) Erykah Badu - On & On The Away Team - The Blah Blah I was not aware. To be honest, I'm not sure I've ever actually listened to it straight through. I have basically everything wrestling theme song since the 1980's. I download them as an obsession because I very rarely bust them out, unless it's for a joke.

When does Greinke end up on the Yankees/Red Sox/big payroll team? Either by signing or trade.

Congratulations. Now, let's see a picture of the Mrs.

I hardly ever know the vast majority of the songs people post in these threads. But I guess people will think the same thing about a lot of mine. Let's see here: Tim McGraw - For A Little While Gary Allan - Nothing On But The Radio Butthole Surfers - Pepper American Soldier - Toby Keith Buggles - Video Killed The Radio Star Hall & Oates - Rich Girl George Harrison - All Those Years Ago Willie Nelson & Ray Charles - Seven Spanish Angels Rolling Stones - Time Is On My Side John Denver - Rocky Mountain High The original ECW theme and Hawk Harrelson's "he gone" also came up, but I guess they're not real songs.

QUOTE (LVSoxFan @ Sep 21, 2009 -> 02:52 PM) http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/post/Th...?urn=mlb,190843 You know, two, three years ago I would have said: scoop this guy up! How great would that be to have another stud in the bullpen. Nowadays? I dunno. Besides his selfish attitude and head-case-itis, that's an awfully big salary to pay for a guy who really didn't deliver much this year. Or, is he just the kind of "project" that needs a Don Cooper overhaul and next thing you know we have another ace? Thoughts? I'm leaning no (I also don't know what we'd have to trade for him) but it is intriguing. It would be great, but what would Zambrano do for that?

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Sep 20, 2009 -> 11:49 PM) Some might say you're a dreamer, Tommy. But you're not the only one. I'm with you. Everything's important till the math no longer works in our favor. Till then dream way. Did I catch an Imagine reference in there?

The biggest game of the season for the White Sox? Seriously?