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QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 12, 2011 -> 09:04 PM) Is it true Pujols, Reyes and Mark are considering Oz's Marlins? Not meant to flame, but this proves what a joke that poll was a few years ago that said Oz was the most hated manager by players in the game. Bulls***. it proves that money talks. nothing else. IF someone gets signed

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 13, 2011 -> 05:14 AM) 30 of keystone down by myself. Ya, I'm pretty awesome... otherwise known as "pre-partying"

Did anyone else think that Cain looked much less cut last night than he did vs Brock? The first thing I thought when i saw him take his shirt off was "He looks kind of doughey"

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 13, 2011 -> 08:42 AM) I have a bad feeling about the Bears today. I hope I'm wrong. I have a very good feeling, because Jahvid Best is out. If the bears make them one dimensional, Stafford will probably leave the game injured again. The D Line has put together multiple games where they have put a lot of hits on QBs, and Stafford doesnt like getting hit

The disaster wasnt that the fight was 30 seconds. the disaster was the decision to air only that fight, and none of the undercard. Fox had Cops on before the fight, they couldnt bump that and go live for 2 hours and show 3 fights? GMAB And Fox, spare me the explanation of what MMA fighting is

Cain dropped early in the first round by JDS. Roundhouse to the temple, sit down. ground and pound, goodnight

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 05:24 PM) It doesn't have to be logical, but "Keeping the football program winning games" is one other way you can make it work. They covered it up to protect the program. They ignored it because he could help them recruit to win games. They got McQueary to shut up to protect the program. They turned a blind eye when he kept bringing kids along to protect the program. This isnt a perennial national championship contending program. I think covering this up in the name of the program is just a stupid reason to cover it up. The people who know about this situation had to have calculated the risk of the coverup being blown open and determined that the fallout would be greater than exposing Sandusky when the rumor(1998) became fact(2002). I agree that someone much more powerful here was dictating the moves, and it was because his own reputation and life was at stake

Statham movies are always mindless action and fun. Good for a boring night with nothing to do

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 03:59 PM) The problem now is...the Players have gotten the owners to "Cave and offer a better deal" at what, 3, 4 different deadlines in the last 2 months? The players have every reason to expect that the Owners position will move farther at this point if they wait longer. No they dont. The deadline has changed, and the players have changed their percentage to favor the Owners everytime the deadline has changed. The owners have been slowly grinding out the players, and soon Stern is going to say "f*** you all, we are going to get 47 percent and you are going to like it. And if you dont like it, we will wait you out" The players originally wanted nothing less than 54 percent, then 52.5, then 52, 51, now they are at 50.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 04:18 PM) I didn't say I think he'd be doing it on his own. But if he was really recruiting for PSU, with McQueary working alongside him, then that absolutely means that not only did everyone at PSU cover this up, but it means that they actively used him for their benefit, meanwhile, placing him around other male minors. Up until now it's only been stated that he has been seen around campus, etc., but nothing where you could really say PSU continued to use him in their employ. And not only did they use him in their employ, but they continued to do so in a way so as to place him near more minors. That is a pretty huge nail in their coffin, if you ask me, and yet this news station seems to have no clue of the importance of the story they are breaking. Which is really the only reason I questioned whether Sandusky was actually recruiting on behalf of PSU still. Did you watch the press conference when Paterno and Spanier were dismissed? The questions were amateur hour questions, the student newspaper beat writers and local guys couldnt get past "Joe has been here for 60 years" and grasp the reason why it was happening. They were outraged Paterno was fired, there was no questions about the coverup, no questions about Sandusky, no questions about the kids affected. It was all Paterno. It doesnt surprise me that the local channels dont have a clue about the news they are breaking

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 02:20 PM) I don't get all the Kristen Stewart hate. I thought she was good in Adventureland and excellent in The Runways. She will also be in On the Road. Never seen any of the Twilight stuff though. Dakota Fanning was excellent. Kristen Stewart was just there

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 02:58 PM) Ah classic, when you cant defend a position, just make smarmy comments. Sex before marriage, morally wrong, FIRE THEM. At least according to Milkman. Because as he said, morals arent subjective, they are objective. So either something is morally okay or it isnt, there is absolutely no gray area. Thats the position your defending Kyle. Notice that in over 46 pages, Ive never had to resort to similar tactics, because my position is sound. Right, because it isnt smarmy to say that im not jewish therefore i disagree with being kosher or Im not muslim so I disagree with the islamic faith is anywhere close to someone not reporting a sexual predator. Milkman isnt generalizing all morality, he is talking about a specific instance here where a large portion of the human population would look at it and say "you know what, thats really f***ed up that THEY(Not he, not just paterno) did not say anything" It is funny how you go through this thread and look at your comments, and you dont like us drawing conclusions from grand jury testimony, but you have no problems making up outlandish scenarios for your own conclusions

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 02:49 PM) Its funny that you entirely skip the: "We generally dont punish people for having different moral beliefs." I assume based on this thread (since your contention is morals arent subjective) youd have no problem with someone being fired for not being kosher, because thats against someones moral beliefs. Or maybe anyone who doesnt where a burka should be fired, because they are offending someones moral beliefs. I think what you really mean, is that you are okay with people being judged morally as long as those are the morals you agree with. I dont think you can argue morals are objective, they are basically the definition of subjective. Hawk ; Stretch! Stretch! Get on back there! And caught by the catcher near the dugout. inning over

QUOTE (beck72 @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 09:34 AM) Even if the #1 and 2 hitters don't have speed, the Sox need guys at the top who can hit close to .300 and get on base. Right now, only PK does that. De Aza did it in the minors at an older age. De Aza has really done it his entire career. I dont know what more you want from him, but everything you are stating you want in the leadoff spot, De Aza can and has done. http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/pro...lejandro-De-Aza His leg injury was brutal, it took him a while to come back

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 11:57 AM) Fixed. approved

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 12:34 PM) Kyle, I dont know if there was a coverup, I just believe that if there was one, that it wasnt Paterno who was leading it. I think it came from above him. i dont think it was Paterno leading it either. and i think it is going to be a very crazy, uncomfortable and sad story. Unfortunately Paterno is the face of the university, and thats the face associated with the crime now because he lost his job. I dont think the bloodletting is over by a long shot

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 12:12 PM) So take this as completely rumor, but I was talking to one of my clients who knows some people at PSU and the rumor is that: 1) Second mile pimping may have merit. 2) Some of the board of trustees may have known a lot more than they are claiming. people are social animals. there is no way this little secret stayed between Paterno, McQueary, Spanier, Curley, Schultz and McQueary's dad. hell, when Sandusky was barred from bringing the second mile kids to campus, someone within the organization had to ask why. Even though you want this whole process to play out SB, and you want to not believe in this audatious conspiracy theory, there is no doubt here that there was a large coordinated coverup. now, the question remains, Why? Why is hiding a sexual predator so much better than delivering him to the police or FBI? It goes way past "Paterno was his friend and didnt want to believe it", because multiple other people who werent close friends with Sandusky also covered it up.

QUOTE (juddling @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 06:52 AM) and in this movie we're supposed tot believe that Charlize Theron is jealous of Kristin Stewart's looks???? Talk about a fantasy movie........ Well, she is stealing youth from young girls so she can stay beautiful, so it does make sense. But yea, put them next to each other and i see a model and a gawky teenager

Well, Franco Harris is not pleased with Paterno getting fired

Schultz had his name on the campus Child Care facility. as of yesterday, the name was boarded over

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 07:25 AM) Kind of funny you disagreed with me on this. It's humorously ironic on any number of levels. I trust that the guy heard any number of things, had a good feel as to who was using and who wasn't, but generally think the guy wrote the book and mentioned the names for a reason - that being money. So someone gave him money to STFU about him not using steroids? Does that surprise you? It doesn't surprise me in the least. Roger Clemens made $150 mill playing baseball, and that's not including any endorsement or side projects he took part in. Him parting with $10K (based entirely upon his MLB compensation) is roughly the same as a middle-upper class American giving $100-$500, and an upper class American $1,000. Canseco could use every single bit of it. It doesn't particularly surprise me that he mentioned 9 names and George Mitchell mentioned 80 more. One did it for money, one did it for justice. Bottomline, Canseco IS a whore. You'd be hard-pressed to find anybody who disagrees with that, even Balta. --- Oh, and without knowing the levels at which Manny took steroids and any other PEDs, it's generally impossible to know what type of player he could have been. I don't know that Sammy Sosa was ever implicated on steroid use, but, unless he came out and admitted he used and when he started, it's impossible to know what type of player he was with and without steroids. Scouting reports suggested he had monstrous power ability and that he was a potential 30/30 threat when he was with the Sox, and he was not with the Sox long [baseball Digest, ca. 1992]. He was damn near a 40/40 player with the Cubs and was a 30/30 player twice with them before '98. At some point, natural talent DOES come into effect. You can be hyperbolic and say "because (said player) used steroids, they are just as likely to be a minor leaguer then they are a potential hall of famer." That seems to be the Bud Fox argument, and I simply can't agree with that. If a player is terrible, steroids make him bad; if he is bad, they make him not bad; if he is not bad, they make him mediocre; if he is mediocre, they make him OK..." Until we have proof otherwise, we can't make a fair assumption, so anybody MAKING assumptions is incredibly and inevitably wrong. The safest bet of all is to say "we do not know how good these players are or were without performance enhancing drugs, and we never will; thus, not only due to ethical reasoning, but general lack of perspective and knowledge, we cannot elect these players into the Hall of Fame, even considering their contributions to the game." I know that bag of money dropped in the Toronto airport raised a lot of eyebrows

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 09:05 AM) Well, that's a fair point, but again he's the football coach, not J. Edgar Hoover. Fact is right now we just don't know. And I find that it's bulls*** that he got run out of town and basically pegged as equally terrible as Sandusky BEFORE even hearing his explanation. All indications are that he wanted to come out and talk about it, but that the school wouldn't let him. Maybe in the next week or two he will, but what's the point now, he's lost his job. Simply from the sake of moving on from this tragedy Penn State had to clean house. I get that (though it's f***ed that they keep the GA). But I don't understand why having Paterno "coach" 3 more games would have ended the world. It wouldnt have ended the world. But if these allegations all end up being true, and the last image of JoePa is one of him being carried off the field with everyone cheering him on, The University would look even worse than they do right now. The right thing was to clean house, and I really dont think Curley and McQueary are going to be recieving PSU checks for very much longer, and let the investigation take its course and let the university and football team start to rebuild themselves.

QUOTE (God Loves The Infantry @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 05:15 PM) Penn = University of Pennsylvania Penn State = Pennsylvania State University come on man, lame correction. we all know who he is talking about.

I just saw the "Snow White and the Huntsman" trailer. Charlize Theron is still amazingly hot. Thats all I've got

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 04:40 PM) First of all, please don't insert your own commentary into my posts when replying to them in this thread. It's all fun and games in the less serious threads, but please don't do it in this one. Secondly, I'm not sure how you absolutely think anything in this mess. Reportedly, everyone in the entire administration, including the President of the University didn't do jack s*** about this guy being on campus, and around children while he was on campus. So how suddenly we can be absolutely sure Paterno asking that he be removed, when it was already pretty evident that Paterno wanted absolutely nothing to do with the guy already, would have accomplished much of anything in this cesspool of incompetence, I'm just not understanding. Shack, i havent argued with you in this thread, but Sandusky was working out in the PSU facilities last week. he was bringing kids to the campus and spring practices as recently as 09. they absolutely did nothing. And like I have maintained the entire thread, Paterno is the face of this mess, but there is a line of people who failed these children, and failed them horribly