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looks like I spoke too soon, chw42, looks like you were right

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 14, 2009 -> 11:25 PM) What's Ozzie doing? Matt Thornton in the 7th? That probably means Linebrink or Dotel might pitch. Ugh... Naw, I bet Ozzie lets Thornton go through the 8th

Im pretty sure if the Sox lose this game, it will be the worst Sox loss in the history of 8/14/2009.

Well jose. It was nice for a little while. Now, it is time to go.

Is everyone hearing the same carnival music playing that I am?

QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Aug 14, 2009 -> 10:05 PM) Personally, I have seen enough of Alexei at SS.... Not this year you havent. Much much more to come

Stone has a couple of roadtrips a year that he takes off, usually when they go to the west coast. His replacement today is ex Sox OF Mike Huff

Hi Dr Nick!

lineup posted yet?

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Aug 14, 2009 -> 05:39 PM) Who is that? Brando/Requiem/Fedor etc al.

I dont see the deer hunting connection either. A hunter doesnt want to make the animal suffer for long periods of time, they intend to drop a deer immediately, they try and hit the deer in the heart to put it down immediately. A dog fight is about watching two animals tear themselves apart so you can make money. And most of the time both dogs are alive at the end of the fights, and then they get to be killed by whatever method mentioned in Vicks case. A hunter takes down a deer also to control population, since there are not many natural predators of deer that can effectively control a population, especially in areas like suburban Chicagoland. If you disagree with hunting on principle, then what I am saying wont make any sense and you will disagree with it anyways. If you are an active hunter or at least respect the sport of hunting deer, then you might agree with this. And to clarify my position Nite, I also believe Vick has paid his debt to society and career, and this following him 6 games into the season is pretty ridiculous. However, the guy did far more than just kill dogs, which was my earlier point. He had quite the sleazy operation going on, and the people he hung out with were not quality people to have in his life. edit: Plus I feel that him lying to Goodell is the reason that he is getting this extra kick in the ribs.

QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Aug 14, 2009 -> 04:34 PM) Dude, you've been getting banned since I registered here back in 2004. Don't you think that maybe it's time to get a new IP address or something? He has done a lot of (idiotic) IP managing to get in and make his 10 posts before he gets banned.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Aug 14, 2009 -> 03:21 PM) If your mother gives you money, and you use the money to finance drugs so you can re-sell them and you get caught for dealing drugs, is your mom as guilty as you for operating a drug ring if she didn't know about it? And don't say it's unrealistic because it is very realistic. I've seen it happen with my own eyes for a lot of friends. If your buddies fight dogs, and you give them money to fight dogs, and provide dogs to them to fight other dogs, are you guilty for financing a dog fighting ring? Well, Michael Vick was. I saw it happen right in front of my eyes. Why do you keep speaking on Vicks behalf like you know who he is and what happened here? You think he didnt know his buddies were dealing dope out of his own house? The same guy who failed a drug test before going to prison didnt know that the tons of cash he was giving these morons wasnt going to drugs? Whatever nite

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Aug 14, 2009 -> 03:06 PM) If they had a drug ring, they had a drug ring. Don't say it was Vick's fault. He had too much money to care about drug dealing. The dog fighting had to do moreso with sport and finding something for him to do. So it doesnt matter that he was paying them money and they were financing a drug ring out of his house that he also was running a dog fighting ring out of? He was the kingpin of this operation. Sorry

QUOTE (WCSox @ Aug 14, 2009 -> 03:08 PM) Jenks has given up a grand total of two hits, one walk, and zero runs in his last four appearances. Funny how he's suddenly pitching better without kidney stone pain. That said, I'm all for Wagner at that price. A bullpen of Thornton, Wagner, and Jenks would be VERY formidable. I like Jenks. all I am saying is that Wagner gives the sox a very nice security blanket for setup AND closer

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Aug 14, 2009 -> 02:50 PM) Baez, righty with 1.20 WHIP...i'd be interested. Shouldve been more interested in him than Tony P Baez has been a mess since he has been with the Orioles, plus he just came off major arm surgery. Pena, on the other hand, has been one of the better relievers for the past 3 years in terms of holds. I dont want Baez, that guy is prone to giving up the longball

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Aug 14, 2009 -> 02:02 PM) I think Vick's treatment is some what hypocritical. First of all, im not sure where this "drug" ring idea is coming from. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3148549 I see no mention of vick and drug ring, and I really doubt that the federal govt would not even charge him with those crimes. But Im not an expert on the subject, so I would be interested to see where its coming from. Secondly in regards to vick "ruthlessly killing animals", should Mark Buehrle be suspended from baseball for "ruthlessly killing" deers and other animals when he hunts? Its hypocritical to value some animals more than other animals, so if we are really outraged by the barbaric acts of killing animals, we should be outraged equally by all those who hunt and kill animals. Why do they hunt? For sport and entertainment purposes. Why did vick have dogs fight? For sport and entertainment purposes. I dont think what vick did is right, but I certainly do not think that killing an animal (regardless of how heinous) could ever rise to the level of killing a human. And for everyone who is saying "Oh Stallworth made a mistake, weve all driven drunk" maybe thats true. but if vick said that "oh everyone I know dog fights, it was just a mistake" would it really matter? The answer is no. Stallworth has millions of dollars and access to a program called safe ride where a NFL player can get a ride at any time. He killed a man because he just didnt care about following the law. The drug ring was the buddies that were busted. Taylor and all of those guys. And all of them were existing on Vicks dime

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 14, 2009 -> 02:00 PM) So... in the face of all the huge number of scientists, NASA, and everyone else saying that it happened... your evidence against it is an uncited source on an obsessed guy's website about a supposed NASA astrophysicist? It doesn't bother you that there is no name, no citation, no quote, not anything like that? This thread is about unpopular opinions, no?

QUOTE (son of a rude @ Aug 14, 2009 -> 01:49 PM) what do you think the mets would want in return? Omar Minaya likes old expensive players. Maybe he will like Jose

QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Aug 14, 2009 -> 01:47 PM) I understand that. His jail sentence was enough punishment. The fact that he has to sit out the first six games of this season is what I think is overkill. Isn't two full seasons enough? I agree that what has happened to him has been some overkill. But i dont like the "It was just a dog" excuse. It wasnt just a dog, it was much more than that. The dogs are the sympathetic figures that blew Vick's case out of the water. He still broke a LOT of laws and straight up lied to a lot of people that could have helped him right now.

he would be quite a get, it would make Thorntons job much more consistent as well, especially with Jenks' recent injury problems

Contreras is going to be looking over his shoulder all night. He officially has no more room for error

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 14, 2009 -> 11:29 AM) I love how every Cub fan has to bring up the Ligues as a defense to their fan's horrific behavior, conveinently leaving out that the Ligues are both Cubs fans who spent the daytime before the sox game getting wasted in the wrigley bleachers. I thought that was the Eric Dybas guy

QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Aug 14, 2009 -> 11:25 AM) I'll say it again. I'll support Vick this season. Still one of my favorite players. I have a dog as well, but I really do believe that his punishment was way too severe. People kill animals every day in this country. And I will reiterate, his punishment was not only because he killed dogs. It was also because he financed a drug ring, lied to a grand jury, lied to his immediate boss(the falcons) and to the commissioner.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 14, 2009 -> 11:18 AM) Wait did Ray Lewis kill someone or just try to cover it up? depends on who you ask. He was there, and 3 other guys took the fall. Thats pretty much all we know