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QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 09:42 AM) So far these winter meetings are so damn boring. I hope things pick up today for the Sox, as well as for every other ball club. Do you want things to pick up for the White Sox? They aren't likely so sign any meaningfull free agents, and if you hear anything, it's probably the beginning of a rebuilding process which may upset several on this forum.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 09:37 AM) If the Sox are going to re-sign Mark, then they probaby aren't trading both Danks and Floyd. Probably one of them since Peavy, Sale, and Humber are locked into the rotation, but I don't see the Sox shelling out money for Mark and then sticking Stewart or whoever in the rotation. If the White Sox resign Buerhle, wouldn't the Sox trade Danks to avoid A) having 3 left handers in their rotation and B) to avoid losing him in free agency without getting a few good prospects back this off-season? If we are to believe all the speculation, it seems unlikely that Buehrle will be back, and Danks/Floyd (maybe both) are to be moved this off-season.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 09:24 AM) I would like to see him stay I wouldn't be against it when you consider than Konerko, and Quentin were the only two reliable run producing threats on the team, and moving him puts even more pressure on Dunn, Rios, and Viceido to produce. I just don't see it as being realistic though.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 09:09 AM) Does anyone think there's a chance the Sox sign him to an extension? If so, what sort of money would he get? His potential is very high, but it seems like injuries at least have held him back. Highly unlikely. With Rios, De Aza and Viceido on the team, and the team's payroll issues, it's unlikely they will spend $8 million (or so) on Quentin when they feel that Viceido is ready and can put up good power numbers himself. Like Rios or not, he's going to play and Lillibridge may be the 4th OF in the mix.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 08:07 AM) I'm thinking the opposite. They can't sign Mark until they move some salaries. Why would Buerhle want to return to the White Sox if they are going to move Danks and/or Floyd along with Quentin and possibly Thornton? To return here, he'd probably have to take less years than what he can get on the open market, so I just don't see it as realistic that he would return here for a lesser contract AND to a team in transition. From the White Sox perspective, why give him a 3 year deal (maybe even 4) if it results in having to move Danks/Floyd, younger pitchers who are likely to be more effective than Buerhle in a few years? If one of the goals is to shed payroll, what better way to do that then letting Buerhle walk? They can somewhat replace him with Chris Sale as well.

QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 06:48 PM) I wonder if the Sox are talking to Marlins about AJ. Ozzie always liked him and he could platoon with Buck, or maybe Ozzie doesn't want Buck to be his everyday starter. I don't think they'd get much for AJ but they'd rid his salary which should be good enough. Florida may make some sense since they seem to be throwing money all over the place. If they want to add a lefty bat, the Sox would still have to eat half of that salary, but if Ozzie isn't sick of him, there could be some sense to that.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 06:33 PM) \Bingo. And the Sox would love to deal him if they get the chance. The problem is no one will want him. The Sox owe him something like $6 million for next season so they would probably have to assume at least half of the money in order to move the 2nd half of the contract, and get nothing more than a marginal prospect in return.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 05:58 PM) Peavy saying he doesn't want to be part of a rebuilding process due to the team struggling and having a bloated payroll is like Tigers Woods sleeping with 100 women and then telling Elin that he doesn't want to be in a troubled marriage. Dear Jake....shut up before you pull a muscle in your mouth. I'm not sure that it's Peavy (assuming that the story is true).... The list of candidates include: AJ, Konerko, Peavy, Thornton. I have a hard time believing that the three players - Dunn, Rios and Peavy - most responsible for the payroll squeeze and underachieving team would have the nerve to request a trade. I could be wrong, and wouldn't be shocked if I were incorrect, but I would think it's one of the 3 names other than Peavy that i mentioned above, and, guess what, if Williams decides to move Floyd and/or Danks, along with losing Buerhle, what sense does it make to keep Konerko or AJ?

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 11:26 AM) The Royals are willing to trade Soria for a starting pitcher. I was thinking, hey, we always trade with KC! But Soria's due $6 million next year. That doesn't help much. Plus, aren't the Sox okay as far as righties go in the bullpen? The White Sox already have a closer in Sergio Santos. Why would they add Soria for a starting pitcher?

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 01:35 PM) He is if 14 teams are interested in a workhorse type LH starter like M56. 14 teams may like Mark Buerhle, but only 3 or 4 may be willing to give him 3 or 4 years at the money he'll command.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 10:14 AM) I'm sure Cubs fans will say the hand of Theo got Santo in. If the guy failed to make the HOF time after time, why was suddenly now worthy? That's what I don't understand about the process. To me, if you're HOF worthy, there isn't any debate.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 4, 2011 -> 10:33 AM) Yankees interested in SP not signed beyond 2013 because of 2014 luxury tax, need a lefty in pen. Danks and Thornton mentioned. Blue Jays have been looking at Beckham. Link I'm not a big fan of Beckham, but what's the point in moving him now? His value can't be very high around the league. If I'm Williams, I keep him (unless somebody else just completely gets stupid in their compsenation offer for him) and make him earn his job in spring training, whether that's competition from one of the players acquired from Florida or maybe Brent Lillibridge, who I know may not be as good defensively as Beckham was, and was incredibly valuable in a utility role last season, but is not somebody I want to keep in that role at the expense of Beckham's struggles at the plate.

Chicago Tribune White Sox Story

If we are to believe the rumors, the White Sox are open for business, and are set to embark on a rebuilding of sorts. Carlos Quentin seems all but certain to be moved, and it's possible that all 3 pitchers rumored - John Danks, Gavin Floyd and Matt Thornton - could all be moved.

QUOTE (thedoctor @ Nov 30, 2011 -> 10:08 AM) not surprising. this is a rebuild whether or not anyone wants to admit it. Agreed. They may not use that word, and they may tell us that if Adam Dunn and Alex Rios have good years in 2012, things will be fine, but now is the time to rebuild the farm system and start the process of retooling this team. I love Danks, and I wouldn't be upset if they signed him to a long-term deal, but he is probably their best trading asset and it may be too hard to pass up on the potential they receive in return.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 29, 2011 -> 11:20 AM) I agree. At 29 and with this contract he is incredibly valuable. If a small market contender or heck, any contender, was in need of a closer, the Sox would be foolish not to listen. But the asking price starts at 2 top 50 prospects plus a 3rd prospect whose a top 150 or so prospect. Its a steep asking price but given the financially friendly deal and his talent, it only makes sense. From the Sox perspective, it gives you more talent, which we ultimately need. If they plan on trading Danks and Floyd, this team is going to have to rebuild so they might as well move almost anyone who is not going be able to contribute 3 to 4 years down the road (since at a minimum you are talking about a 3 to 4 year rebuilding period if you move Danks/Floyd for spects). Agreed, if the Sox do end up moving Danks and/or Floyd and lose Buerhle, what's the point in keeping Santos on a team that would be challenged to win 70 games? Try and load up with as many young prospects as possible.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Nov 29, 2011 -> 10:32 AM) Salary dump for decent prospect unless part of a package. I don't think they will get much in return. He's making $6 million per for the next two seasons, and is 34 or 35 years old, which makes him a high priced middle relief risk. I think they will be able to move him, but would be surprised if they got anything outside of salary relief.

QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Nov 27, 2011 -> 11:23 PM) Who are the White Sox 5 legit starters? Danks and Floyd are legitimate starters, though I don't think either are (or will be) elite, just good/solid MLB starters. Humber is a guy who is good to have, making no money, and having to prove that last year wasn't a fluke. Sale isn't legit - yet - but does have good upside. Next season will be a learning year for him. Axelrod/Stewart are just bottom of the rotation candidates, hardly legitimate. It's hard for me to think that this team is serious about winning next season (and maybe they shouldn't be) if the don't resign Buerhle, and I'm not sure that's such a good idea given the money it will take.

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 11:27 AM) why when you still potentially have Danks Floyd Sale Peavy Humber/Stewart/Axlerod/ maybe someone they get in a CQ trade? beat me to it Flavum I don't think that's more than an average rotation to be honest. You can't count on starters #3 through #5 (and I love Sale). Floyd and Danks are pretty solid, but both need to be dropped down a notch.

QUOTE (flavum @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 11:26 AM) Uh...no. You have Peavy, Danks, and Floyd in their contract years, Humber and Sale, and a pretty decent bullpen. Along with unmovable contracts in Dunn and Rios. They try to win next year by having everything go right. If it doesn't, they have the trade deadline and next offseason to continue the dismantling. Will it suck to have Buehrle leave? Yeah, kind of. But by no means do I want them to give him 3 guaranteed years at this point. Pretty much, they have to hope that Rios and Dunn rebound to fix the offense, and just enough pitching to stay competitve if the offense can turn things around. I don't expect the Sox to sign any significant free agents, perhaps they go back to an old formula and add a player coming off an injury and/or down year, and they don't have much in the minors so the major league roster will just need to play better.

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 11:24 AM) With all the teams interested in Buehrle now, there's no doubt in my mind that it's best if Sox let him go. He is going to get more money than the team can afford with the rest of the budget issues. Use that money to extend Danks. Correct, if the Sox are being hindered by payroll restrictions, and can only afford to extend one pitcher, the obvious answer is John Danks.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 11:21 AM) If Buehrle goes do they tear it all down? I think they do and every player should be available. Fine, but who takes Peavy, Rios and Dunn? Secondly, does losing Mark Buerhle from a losing team mean the GM should tear it all down? Shouldn't not being a good team with him result in that?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 03:13 PM) Of course, doing that would leave us with either 6 starters or with Sale in the bullpen, again. They could move both Floyd/Danks, and try to bring back 3 or 4 B (or better) prospects, with maybe 1 or 2 who could be in the majors next season, still re-sign Buerhle and move Sale to the rotation. Of course, I don't think resigning Buerhle makes much sense if you're going to trade for younger players. If it's down to 1 guy getting a long-term deal, it's Danks over Buerhle. If they do resign Buerhle and keep Floyd (but not Danks since they may make the argument that Sale would replace Danks as a lefty in the rotation), then it's, in no order.....Buerhle, Floyd, Sale, Peavy and Humber as the likely starting rotation with Stewart/Axelrod and perhaps a pitcher from another organization being in the mix.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 02:39 PM) If we were to bring back Quentin and Danks, but Lose M-56, the payroll sits somewhere around $113 million right now. And bringing back Buerhle puts the payroll, if your other things you mentioned happened, puts the payroll at about $125 Interesting... I still think Quentin and Danks/Floyd is gone.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 11:14 AM) FWIW, Kenny Williams did say to the media (drining to wite here) that the 2012 payroll will be slighty less than 2011 one. If that's true, I'm surprised. Then again, let's say that they have to decrease payroll by $5 million. How much does letting Vizquel/Pierre and the E.Jackson/M.Teahan trade offset the increase in salaries to guys like Floyd, Danks and Quentin?