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QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 11:04 PM) Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal #WhiteSox seeking rotation depth. Traded Jackson to save money, now concerned they're too thin. #tradedeadline #MLB Whats Kenny up to I don't think he just realized this was a potenial issue. Saying that, if they do add a pitcher, it may just be a long reliever from the bullpen.

QUOTE (forrestg @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 05:15 PM) Why trade Danks? He is a decent pitcher but with a 3 and 8 record which may improve by year's end he would be a bargain if he accepted arbitration. I don't think Danks (or Floyd) are candidates to be traded until the off-season, if then. Why trade Danks? I don't want to. I think he's a good, dependable starter, but he's also young, will probably get a little better, and doesn't make a ton of money yet. In other words, for a team that has to probably cut budget for next season, and try to remain competetive, they may look to cash in a guy like Danks for 2 good prospects.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 04:11 PM) to me that sounds like a last ditch smoke screen trying to drum up the price. "we're completely content to not trade him, even though you guys need him pretty badly" kinda thing. But maybe i'm just hoping. i know one thing - anything he says right now is just public posturing. They may not make a trade, but it's possible to know. I'm sure he has an idea of what he wants to do (or not do), and he's certainly not going to play his cards openly.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 11:06 AM) Quentin to the Braves is slowing down. Kenny is asking for the world and ATL is looking elsewhere. It's going to be tough to move Quentin with them this close. Some team would have to make a ridiculous offer. I doubt we see something happen here.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 02:51 PM) I'd be ok doing it. Probably would be willing to eat 10-25% of his contract to do it. Or depending on what you get back, taking some other sort of contract back that could be serviceable. If the Sox could hit the undo on him and Rios that would be exceptional and would theoritically provide the Sox with a ton of payroll flexibility. Of course the downside is, I'm pretty sure next years payroll will not be anything close to our current year payroll so some of that savings will not be reinvested. You'd have to eat a lot more of 25% of his contract considering he's batting .160 and hasn't shown much power. If he has 3 year and around $42 million his deal after this season, the Sox would have to eat at least $20 million, roughly half, of his contract. Maybe they could work out some performance type of deal where if he regains his form, the Sox pay less......saying all that, I really don't see a team taking him on considering how historically bad he's been this season.

QUOTE (buhbuhburrrrlz @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 11:24 PM) I don't see how they can trade TCQ at this point. They're 3.5 games back. They just won 4 out of 6 against the division leader. It's definitely tougher to move Quentin because he and Konerko have supplied most of the power numbers for the offense. Viceido is still a risk, and there's the potential for a significant drop-off. Still, if Williams believes that it's unlikely they will keep Quentin beyond this season, and he can get a team desperate for offense, it's got to be tough to pass on acquiring a prospect who will come cheap for the next several seasons and gives the team a bit of financial flexiblitiy.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 12:19 PM) Like I said much more is going to happen. Is Miller in the majors right now? Another prospect type? How good is he? How is he coming here?

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 11:24 AM) We also arent done. And lets say this money allows us the flexibility to bring back Buehrle, that would be a nice bonus. However I believe that we are in for alot more movement based on what happens this afternoon. What else happens?

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 11:24 AM) We also arent done. And lets say this money allows us the flexibility to bring back Buehrle, that would be a nice bonus. However I believe that we are in for alot more movement based on what happens this afternoon. What else happens?

So, Frasor is a very good lefty reliever, correct? He's under contract for how long and for how much? The White Sox now have a 5 man rotation going forward. Is Zach Stewart a starting pitching prospect? How highly rated is he? Where does he project for the White Sox?

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Jul 23, 2011 -> 12:33 AM) That won't change. Quentin and Jackson aren't players you give up your top prospects for unless you have the Brewers or WSox system. I think you can get a B level prospect, but I doubt anyone is giving away their top of the line guys for either.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 01:50 PM) I don't know why they would desperate to trade Quentin. The only thing I could think up is salary. They probably are really worried what he'll get next year, but unless they think he can't earn the money, with Konerko and Rios and Dunn on the books, there really isn't going to be a total rebuild, Quentin can help them win. I don't think they will want to pay him with Viceido on the verge of breaking through. I think it makes sense to add a younger prospect for him given that this team is going to need to find money whereever they can.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 12:48 PM) We better win at least 5 of 6 or lose at least 5 of 6. That way decisions can be made to stay in this or to bail out, instead of being caught in the middle. They don't have to do that. Detroit and Cleveland haven't exactly pulled away over the last month. Detroit is the better of those two, but I think the White Sox will continue to hang around, making it hard for Williams to pull the plug (Jackson and/or Quentin).

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 11:53 AM) The Sox are always quiet on the tradefront, what is Crasnick talking about. KW always surprises people when stuff happens Agreed, although I'm sure he's nibbling on the edges to see what's available should he decide to add a piece, or move a few...not to mention that he's been extremely patient all season in sticking with this team and watching the results. I see no reason to believe that he'll suddenly decide to trade Jackson or Quentin until he absolutely has to, if that's what his final decision is.

I usually don't listen to Cooper on WSCR's podcasts because when I have heard him, I don't find him very bright or entertaining. He must be at least one of these things if the Score continues to pay him though. Saying that, he knows how to coach a pitching staff and generally gets the most out of his pitchers. He's clearly not a wordsmith though, and I'm sure he's frustrated. I also don't know how many questions there are to ask him each week - we know that Peavy's health is always a question, etc, but if I would be bored in his responses to how someone is throwing, I would probably not be very interested in him commenting on the offense.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 21, 2011 -> 02:08 PM) A part of me is really convinced the whole reason we haven't done anything yet is because of the long homestand that is starting now. I get the feeling we will see a deadline meltdown. I understand why they wouldn't want to do anything - being 4 or 5 games out of a very winnable division gives them reason to believe that if the team can finally live up to management's expected level of play could mean being just good enough to win a division. On the other hand, Williams has made a series of costly moves over the last few seasons (acquiring Dunn, Peavy and Rios) and a team he thought (and probably still thinks) was capable of winning the division isn't even plan average ball through 100 games. His false believe in this team could hurt next year's team as well. Instead of realizing that 2011 White Sox are an 80 win team, they seem content in sticking with the same players, game after game, specifically in the lineup, and hoping that they finally start hitting. Instead, they could be working towards adding 1-2 younger players who are making no money, but who could help the team next season, and give Williams better options than leaning on a broken farm system that hasn't produced much. I also believe he could make these moves (trading Jackson would mean they depend on Peavy more for about a month, but they return to a 5 man rotation and could go to a 4 man rotation in September....trading Quentin does potentially further cripples a struggling offense, but Viceido does at least provide a replacement who has shown good potential) and not necessarily destroy this year's team from winning a bad division. In my view, this team has too many holes, and too little financial flexibility going forward to go "all in" on a .500 caliber club 100 games in.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 21, 2011 -> 12:31 PM) If the Sox know they need to shed payroll...I'd say they're much more likely to get high value offers for Danks and Quentin right now than they would be in the offseason. Teams trading for them would get them for 2 pennant races instead of 1, and the Sox would save an extra couple million on this season's salary. I think they should trade Jackson (assuming they can get a B level prospect back), but probably won't because they still believe they can/will catch fire in a bad division. If they decide to move a pitcher, it'll be just one, and although Danks would bring back quite a bit, I think it would be Jackson. They may also be trying/willing to work out a longer term deal with Danks, and possibly want to give it another shot this off-season, but that's just my speculation. If they trade Jackson now, and don't have to pay for him to leave, they would probably save around $3 million as well.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 21, 2011 -> 09:21 AM) I agree. Move those two guys, get prospects, promote Viciedo. Also do something with Lillibridge -- DeAza must be a better player -- AJ?? I have no idea of his trade value and he is a 5/10 guy, but I bet he would waive it. This team is going to be a 23 man roster equivelent next year. Offer Mark a contract for next year, see what he does. I watched game last night, that is one boring team. Painful. If the White Sox need to be creative next season with their payroll, which I would expect to be reduced with Jackson and Pierre (and possibly Buerhle) coming off the books (I think that's about $12 million, but closer to $10 since the Sox weren't paying all of Pierre's contract)...although if they choose to resign Buerhle, a lot of the money (and then some possibly) saved from Jackson/Pierre would go into him. Assuming that there is a small increase between resigning Buerhle and losing Jackson/Pierre, it's still possible (and maybe likely) that Williams will need to shed additional salary to meet next year's budget and/or to attempt at improving the team. That could mean Quentin still gets moved in the off-season. The same could be said of Danks.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 02:20 PM) I think BECAUSE of the salary commitment this year, you'd be crazy to think that Williams would sell off parts if they're 7 back on July 28th. There isn't a significant amount of money to be saved by trading away expiring contracts and money that can be saved next year can be just as easily dealt in the offseason. I think they are going to have to be about 6 games below .500, perhaps with Peavy injured again and another starter down to really get the ball rolling on it. I think they'll let this team give it one last hurrah, we'll see them stumble down the stretch like has become accustomed in the Ozzie era, and he'll end up in Florida next year (while hopefully taking his entire coaching staff, sans Cooper). Does this team deserve one last hurrah? They have shown through about 100 games to be roughly a .500 caliber team in a bad division. It's tough to give up in this division, but does trading Edwin Jackson and/or Carlos Quentin mean that they are? Should Williams re-tool some (moving Jackson and/or Quentin) to add perhaps 2-3 quality prospects that can help the team next season (plus Viceido) at a low cost? Remember, this team is still going to be hampered by Dunn, Rios and Peavy's contract's so the White Sox, with their attendance down as well, are going to have to find ways to be creative. As I have mentioned in other threads, the White Sox could argue that moving Jackson, and moving back to a 5 man rotation, makes the rotation stronger for the remainder of the season. The starter's innings are currently down, and although they are banking on Peavy staying healthy, they could go to a 4 man rotation come September. In my opinion, if they can land 2 (or maybe 3 if I can daydream) B level prospects for Jackson and Quentin, I make the move.

It's hard to believe that after close to 100 games, the team's management (manager and GM) appear content to stay with the same group of struggling players, game after game, and watch the same tired result. Adam Dunn should be on the bench for the rest of the season. That's who Viceido should be playing for.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jul 17, 2011 -> 11:02 AM) Am I the only one who wants to keep EJAX? Yesterdays start aside, the guy has nasty stuff. Sure he sucks sometimes, so does everyone on the staff. The sox lack a true ace. He's got great stuff, but isn't consistent. Yesterday was an example of what he could do when he puts things together, but more often than not, he leaves you wanting more. The White Sox do lack a true ace, but I doubt Jackson is anything more than a #3 type of starter.

QUOTE (The Baconator @ Jul 16, 2011 -> 09:40 AM) First time we've beaten Verlander since September of '08. That one felt very good to see offensive production versus one of the best in the league to kickstart our second half. I know some people have been clamoring for losses out of the gate so make moves to prepare for next year. I, myself, like to see wins. Winning is fun. I'm not ready to pack it in for the season. Don't stop now, boys! Knowing this White Sox team, they will now lose the next 2 games after beating Verlander. These results wouldn't make much sense - beating a guy like Verlander who's been lights out and then losing to ther other guys sounds like a White Sox thing.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 16, 2011 -> 09:23 AM) http://www.beerleaguer.com/whitesox/2011/0...in-jackson.html Some good arguments why Edwin won't be traded b4 the deadline. Maybe they can run him through waivers in August and still work out something, but that's a lot less likely. Apparently not a big fan of the Hudson/Holmberg deal!!! I would understand why/if they didn't trade Jackson. As was mentioned, Peavy is always questionable at best, and the starting rotation has been the least of the concerns for the White Sox. Trade Jackson, you go back to 5 starters, but it could be 4 rather quickly if Peavy doens't hold up. A dependable starting rotation, also including Humber who hasn't done this over a full season and the erratic Gavin Floyd, then becomes a possible issue. On the other hand, the White Sox have about 15 days to decide if they want to move Jackson via trade. If they think they can survive the madness of Peavy for about 1 month, if they think getting back to a 5 man rotation actually strengthens the rotation (vs the 6 days), and pick up a piece who can help next season (given the constraints of the White Sox payroll, Wiliams is going to need to find cheap help, and, in this case, could be a solid prospect as well). If this team continues to flounder about 3 games under .500 like it's done most of the last month or so, and Williams concludes that this team is what he's been seeing all season (as opposed to what he thought he had), I think it's a smart move to look at dealing both Jackson and Quentin.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:50 PM) They are shopping more than Edwin...... I assume you are referring to Carlos Quentin? It would be interesting to see if the White Sox were really willing to shake things up and move both Quentin/Jackson. The best part of moving Quentin is that you don't need a replacement with Viceido on the verge of breaking in. Between moving Jackson and Quentin, they could bring in 2 or 3 pieces for next season to help balance the payroll and who have good upside.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:39 PM) http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writ...ml?eref=writers This was from yesterday but I didnt see it posted yet. Not surprising,but what does everyone want for him? He has to be one of the better starting pitchers potentially available via trade over the next 3 weeks and being a free agent, and all the dead money (Rios, Peavy and Dunn) tied into a small number of players, Williams has to be able to find cheap talent and he may be able to acquire a younger piece or two. I'm doubtful that the Sox would be able to acquire an A level prospect, but maybe a B and C level talent for him. The wildcard in this is Jake Peavy though - I think Kenny Williams can take Jackson and claim he's actually strengthening the team by allowing it to return to a normal 5 man rotation after getting the starters rest for a good portion of the first half of the season; however, can he make this argument if Peavy continues to look burnt out, in effect, giving the Sox only 4 starters for the last 2 months? Obviously, this concern could be alleviated some if the White Sox acquired a starting pitcher (either as the key piece in the exchange or a stop-gap veteran who doesn't make much money and who is a free agent after the season). Talking a bit more about what the Sox should target in return, I'd say it's quite simple. Look at their board/rankings of minor league prospects around the league (I'm assuming that we're talking about a NL team since the Sox wouldn't want to strengthen a potential opposition team in the AL) and take, regardless of position, the offer for the best return of young players. Starting pitching is actuallly in pretty good shape for next season assuming Buehrle is resigned to so with Floyd, Danks, Peavy (assuming he's healthy) and potentially Chris Sale. I'm not suggesting to turn down more pitching - I wouldn't - but don't pass on good offensive talent if it's the better deal,.