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QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Sep 22, 2012 -> 02:45 PM) The Sox had a 3.0 game lead four days ago. It's now half that. Detroit still has a double header on Sunday, hard to sweep those. After Tigers' atrocious play all season we can only assume they will continue their mediocre play on the road. This is how it happens and it happens fast. The Tigers now have Scherzer back who is not completely healthy, and are playing the pesky Royals and Twins away to finish the season. At the most important time of the season Sox need to step it up and seal the division. Soon. Normally, but the Twins are just hot garbage.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 20, 2012 -> 12:58 PM) Thats the intel I have. Something more realistic based on his performance with the Sox under the current deal. Laced with performance incentives and bonuses. Any chance of a 2 year deal that kicks in based on performance? Maybe 2 years, 30 million or so? I don't trust Peavy on a multi-year deal, but I also don't know how they can compete next year without him. He's a legitimate #2 type starter in the AL if he's healthy. If they can get Peavy at around $15 million for next season, I think they can make some other moves to balance out the payroll in the starting staff. 1) Sale 2) Peavy 3) Danks 4) Quintana 5) Santiago - I think Gavin Floyd would have to be moved to clear more payroll. They won't get anything great back for him, but maybe a decent prospect. - I doubt Liriano comes back next season, but if Peavy leaves, this increases as they need to fill out the rotation. - I think Santiago (or someone else) needs to earn that 5th job from the minors and make it a low salary slot - he has shown enough for me to make him the leading candidate, and I actually like him better than Quintana. - I love the idea of moving Quintana for another prospect. I don't think he'll continue his success, but making no money, I understand the thought process of keeping him around.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Sep 21, 2012 -> 01:52 PM) Big Game Peavy... I'm hoping for one. He has been solid, but looking for one of those 1 ER in 8 IP kind of games. I don't think he's had one of these in a while.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Sep 20, 2012 -> 03:21 PM) I feel like all these titles mean nothing. Like Hoyer is the Cubs GM, but it's Epstein that addresses the media and speaks like he's running the show. If KW is president, is he still running the show? Otherwise, what does President do? I think Williams would step away from the day to day duties, let Hahn do that (meet with the coaching staff, travel with the team, talk trades with other teams), but I have no doubt Williams would keep a certain level of involvement and would probably work together with Hahn on moves.

There is no way either team, Detroit or Chicago, is getting to 90 victories. At best, it's going to be 87 or 88 wins.

The fact is - in August, Dunn and Rios have struggled, and Peavy/Sale haven't been able to beat Detroit.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Sep 2, 2012 -> 01:28 PM) Spider, your situation above has Quintana pitching on 3 days rest (Tues/Sat). Missed that, cleaned that up.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 2, 2012 -> 12:28 PM) http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,5545729.story followed by Quintana and Peavy then theoretically Liriano, Sale, ???, Quintana against the Tigers at USCF can't imagine they'd pitch Peavy on 3 days' rest, but a lot depends on what happens with both those starts against MINNY I'd prefer to see them start Axelrod on Saturday (assuming they play well against the Twins), and Liriano and Quintana in the KC series. They can then go into the 4 game set with the Tigers with Peavy, Sale, Liriano for 3 games in the Detroit series. Miixing in an off-day and Santiago/Axelrod give the White Sox one last opportunity to give Sale, and Peavy an extra extended rest. Of course, all this changes as the standings do, and if this division starts to get away from them. Monday: Santiago Tuesday: Quintana Wednesday: Peavy Thursday: ------ Friday: Liriano Saturday:Axelrod Sunday: Quintana Monday: Tuesday: Wednesday: Thursday: OR Monday: Santiago Tuesday: Quintana Wednesday: Peavy Thursday: ------ Friday: Liriano Saturday:Axelrod Sunday: TBD (Santiago??) Monday: Quintana Tuesday: Sale or Peavy Wednesday: Sale or Peavy Thursday: Liriano

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 28, 2012 -> 10:18 AM) 3 years, $48 million isn't little return for Buehrle. I'm assuming he means in terms of a return of prospects to the Marlins. Saying that, no way do I add a mulit-year deal if I'm Kenny Williams. They are going to have a difficult time determing the best course of action this off-season, they don't need a new large contract on their books making the decisions for them.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 27, 2012 -> 03:08 PM) Daryl Van Schouwen ‏@CST_soxvan Floyd mri revealed muscle strain. No structural damage. I'm assuming he'll probably miss at least a start though?

QUOTE (Lillian @ Aug 27, 2012 -> 11:54 AM) I've stated this elsewhere on Sox Talk, but I think that the Sox will exercise the one year option on Peavy. The marginal cost of $18 million is not that bad for a healthy Peavy. I suspect that J. R. is less reluctant to give a guy big money for one year, than he is to commit to a long term, expensive contract, especially for a pitcher. The Sox will need at least one top of the rotation, right handed starter next year, to balance a staff with so many lefties. I think it will be Sale, Danks, Peavy, Quintana, and a new rhp to replace Floyd, whom I think will be traded, once he has proven that he's healthy again. I just can't imagine that they would resign Liriano, with so many lefties, unless they move Quintana to the bullpen, as the new left handed set up man to replace Thornton. If K. W. could move Floyd and Thornton, the money saved there might allow them to spend the money on Liriano. How expensive he will be will likely, at least in large part, be determined by how well he pitches down the stretch. If Liriano were back in the rotation next year, perhaps they could get by with Axelrod as the 5TH starter. It doesn't appear that either Castro or Molina will be anywhere near ready. In any case, it will almost have to be a righty, if not from within the organization, then a new acquisition. Its' going to be hard for the White Sox to have the same level of success next season if they don't have a top of the rotation (Sale/Peavy) like this year's. I'm not sure they can find another Peavy type on the free agent market or through trade. A 1 year deal would at least keep Peavy motivated for a long-term deal, and keep the Sox off the hook for future years in case he isn't as good or ineffective. If they do keep Peavy, there are obvious implications - I would assume that Floyd (assuming his elbow is intact) is moved during the off-season and Liriano isn't brought back. They would probably have a rotation of Sale, Peavy, Danks, Quintano and Santiago with probably some competition from a guy or two from the minors or Humber. It will be interesting to see if they sell high on Quintano as well - maybe they move him if they don't think they he'll be able to repeat this year's success, but, as a pitcher making no money, that's also important, and needed, if Peavy comes back. If they don't want Peavy back, my guess is that they try to resign Liriano and then hope that a full year of Liriano and a healthy Danks is enough to offset the loss of Peavy. Losing Peavy also could free up the money needed to resign Youkalis and AJ so a lot to balance here.

Is he a legitimate "top prospect" or the best one in a low ranked minor league system? What is his major league position going to be, and how far away is he? Is he an OBP guy, power hitter?

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Aug 17, 2012 -> 02:18 PM) Bench needs in order 1 A bat 2 a pinch runner 3 third catcher 4 reliever apart from Santiago I agree they can use a decent bat off the bench, but I don't think that's coming from the minors. That would have to be a waiver pickup. The rest is September callups.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 17, 2012 -> 09:26 AM) You have to be careful when calling up guys when you are in a race for the playoffs. For one thing, if they really were all that good, they probably would already be on the team, so they probably won't play much. The other thing is, you don't want to crowd the clubhouse too much and make it uncomfortable for everyone. The Sox will obviously call up a few guys, but I would be shocked if its more than 4 or 5 and that number is probably high. The only for sure moves would be an additional catcher, bullpen arm and backup OF. They can probably find another reliever or two if they wanted, but the reality is, none of these call-ups are going to play at all (or extremely sparingly) if things go well in September.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 17, 2012 -> 02:01 PM) I think that is the surprise. usually when they get extended in pitch totals is when they get the extra day. I'm also surprised that they aren't providing as much rest as they can to Peavy, Sale and Quintano. I realize there will be a point in time where they have to get their best starters on the mound as much as possible come September, but I do think there's been a clear benefit to getting them an extra day or two of rest when they can.

QUOTE (flavum @ Aug 17, 2012 -> 01:57 PM) I have to think there will be some adjustment made since Peavy isn't lined up to face the Tigers in either series. I'm pretty surprised Sale and Peavy are pitching on 4 days rest this weekend after their last outings. Isn't 4 days rest the "normal" rest that teams with a 5 man rotation use?

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 17, 2012 -> 06:34 AM) Sounds like Sale, Peavy, or Q needs a day off and will have a start skipped. Hopefully nothing serious. It's not going to happen, but I was hoping that Santiago could have started a game this weekend against KC and pushed everyone back. I'm not sure when his last start was and when he's available to pitch given that he's been starting games in the minors, but it would be nice to go back to the 6 man rotation at least for August.

A 3rd catcher, another utility IF, Jordan Danks, and maybe a speed guy for pinch running purposes - probably not much will be brought up for offense. Pitching, Hector Santiago will come up and may even get a start if the rotation gets taxed with Humber now in the bullpen. Axelrod will probably get a call up and maybe one or two of the other pitchers that were here earlier. All in all, I'd look for 7-8 players brought up, mostly for very specific situations.

QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Aug 13, 2012 -> 10:26 PM) IIRC, the Sox are now 4-17 in their last 21 in Toronto. I think I recall it being even worse, something like 28 of 33 games heading into this season in all games, not sure if I am recalling that correctly, but your numbers aren't surprising, this has been completely one sided for some time, and this is a bad time for this trend to carry on.

QUOTE (Noonskadoodle @ Aug 13, 2012 -> 09:55 PM) Always brutal when you lose such a winnable game & blow a chance to create seperation with the Tigers. Toronto owns the White Sox.

Morel is hot garbage. He can't hit. Not that the other options are much better, but Dan Johnson is probably the temporary option that I'd make.

QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Aug 7, 2012 -> 02:00 PM) with all these free agents, the sox really need to find someone to take on thorntons contract. 5.5 mil is way too much for him Correct - Thornton and Floyd make a combined $15 million (or so) next season. I think they need to clear both of these deals off their books. That gives them some flexibility to sign one (or two) of their free agents.

With so many solid teams in the AL, it seems unlikely to me that most of the teams will be able to just steamroll their way through. I think most of these teams will have their share of ups and downs, point being, if the White Sox are able to get 90 wins, that may be enough for a wildcard.

QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Aug 7, 2012 -> 11:36 AM) Man, that can't be. A 36 year old catcher who is having an outlier year will be offensive priority #1? Yikes. It's gotta be Youkilis. AJ is my favorite player on the team, but who cares if he goes elsewhere? This is no spring chicken we're talking about. It's debatable for sure

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Aug 7, 2012 -> 10:07 AM) I would be fine with Morel if healthy enough to bring that defense. Reason being: we are free to upgrade positions other than 3B to make up the difference. Many ways to win. You can't have a 3B who can't hit. I don't care if he can cover the entire infield by himself. Morel is a .230-.240 hitter with questionable power and that's optimistic. I don't know if Youkalis will ultimatley be back - as I said earlier, the amount of financial resources and the market value will play a long way to determining what Williams does (or doesn't) do. In all reality, the value of the free agents they do have (Youkalis, Peavy, Liriano, Myers, AJ) will probably price them out of keeping all of them so it's going to be a numbers game and it'll be an interesting debate to see how the White Sox value this list - my guess is that AJ will be seen as the most valuable offensive piece and that Liriano the most valuable pitcher, but that's just a guess. I don't even rule out Morel playing a role on the roster next season - Youkalis is hardly a guarantee to be back, just don't think Morel can be handed a job.