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QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Oct 19, 2012 -> 08:13 AM) Here's the issue that no one seems to be covering. Ok, so you get the Yanks to pick up all but say $5 million per for the next 5 seasons. A-Rod will get $6M each for his 660th, 714th, 755th, 762nd, and 763rd career homers. He’s at 647 dongs right now. So if he hits just 13 whopping homers in 2013, and the Yankees cover all but $5 million of his contract, he becomes an $11 million player. At his current pace, he likely doesn't sniff any of those other milestones, but that is an extra thing to think about when it comes to the White Sox. My assumption is that any team trading for ARod will know details of his contract, and will demand that NY takes on a certain percentage, if not all, of his bonuses.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Oct 16, 2012 -> 09:03 AM) Also, if I'm Kenny and I'm thinking about possibly moving Viciedo in a big deal for a right-handed ace, I'm going under the radar and targeting Brandon Morrow. Why would anyone trade an ace for Viceido, even if you do think he'll get better? That's crazy. Brandon Morrow isn't an ace, though I think Toronto will look to keep what pitching they do have.

1/2 or 2/3 of that deal doesn't even come close. It would have to be at least 80% and probably more, and I still don't want him because he's a rapidly declining player now. If we're in the market for that type of player, I'd much rather have Kevin Youkalis on a 1 year deal without giving up anybody.

I would hope not, and the Yankees would certainly demand something back if they are paying for him to play elsewhere. The White Sox don't have much to give, nor should they, for a declining player.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Sep 28, 2012 -> 07:26 AM) On a scale of 1 to 10 on defending Kenny Williams, with 1 being Greg, I generally rate about a 9. I generally think KW has done a good job with what he's had to work with. I think his moves involving pitchers have been especially good. His epic failure is in putting together a lineup that works. I don't mean the manager's job of making out the lineup card, I mean the job of getting 9 position players who can be arranged into an effective lineup. A free-swinging, low OBP, decent SLG, good glove player isn't by himself a bad thing, but the last 10 days are the prime example of why having a lot of them is a terrible idea. Guys with low OBP are either not good at working walks, not good at slapping a good pitcher's pitch the other way for a single, or both. They don't have the skill to find a way to get on base when that's what is really needed. They strike out a lot and hit lots of popups, which isn't a good thing when they are batting with the bases loaded. They fall victim to no-name, no-stuff pitchers who have ERAs that begin with 5. Alexei Ramirez is never going to have a good OBP. Dayan Viciedo is never going to have a good OBP. Beckham had a very good OBP his rookie season but hasn't been close since. AJ Pierzynski and Alex Rios had career years and their OBPs are still only in the .320s, which is decent but not great. Dunn rebounded to have a .338 OBP which is good for most guys but nowhere near Dunn-like. Three guys have had a good year at getting on base: De Aza (.350), Youkilis (.354 with Sox), and Konerko (.371) This lineup needs a major overhaul, but not in the way I expect most people think. Youkilis needs to be back, and if paying his $13M option is the only way to do it, then do it. You can't afford to get rid of a .354 OBP from a team that is sorely lacking in OBP. From the block of Rios-AJ-Viciedo-Ramirez-Beckham, at least two of the five need to be gone. It won't be an easy decision to make: Rios and AJ just had career years, Viciedo is cheap with tons of upside, Ramirez and Beckham provide gold glove defense. I don't know the trade value of each player and who is available to replace them, so I can't really say which two need to go, but the reality remains that this team is not going to win a championship with all five of them in the lineup. Also, it isn't that KW hasn't tried to get guys with the needed OBP. He did get Swisher and Quentin, but for reasons of chemistry and recurring injury, those guys didn't work out. What is Konerko's OBP since June 1? I know we have to look at numbers over a full season, but I do worry about his age/injuries. I don't see how he can bat #3 or #4 in next year's lineup unless the Sox are confident he can rebound from his injuries. Good post - there are too many players who dont' get on base. Rios is a guy who I think would make sense to move - however, can they get value in return considering his contract and his penchant for good/bad years? Would they have to eat money to move him?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 24, 2012 -> 12:07 PM) This is more than just September tired for the pitching staff. This is two guys who are close to 100 IP over their career highs, plus another who is about 100 IP higher than anywhere he has been since 2007. I'd like to see Santiago get a start (for Quintana) or to mix him in to get everyone else an extra day of rest. Peavy also hasn't been as good, certainly not bad, but it would be good to get him an extra day (as well as Sale).

QUOTE (flavum @ Aug 7, 2012 -> 12:59 PM) Let's use this to track the final 54 games for each team, taking strength of schedule in consideration. Sox vs KC 1-1 (0-2) -1 vs Oak 2-1 at Tor 2-2 at KC 2-1 vs NY 2-1 vs Sea 2-1 at Bal 2-2 at Det 1-2 vs Min 2-1 vs KC 2-1 vs Det 2-2 at Min 2-1 at KC 2-1 at LAA 1-2 vs Cle 2-1 vs TB 2-2 at Cle 2-1 Tigers vs NY 2-2 (2-2) E at Tex 1-2 at Min 2-1 vs Bal 2-1 vs Tor 2-1 vs LAA 2-1 at KC 2-1 vs Chi 2-1 vs Cle 2-1 at LAA 1-2 at Chi 2-2 at Cle 2-1 vs Oak 2-1 vs Min 2-1 vs KC 3-1 at Min 2-1 at KC 2-1 This thread can probably be updated to the 'Road to 85 wins'.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Sep 24, 2012 -> 10:04 AM) I'm optimistic. Not just of the Sox' chances to win the division, but to succeed in the playoffs. The Sox have a one game lead, with three more home games remaining compared to Detroit, and Kansas City is likely to put up far much more of a fight than Cleveland. Also, consider the pitchers the Sox are likely to rely on in the postseason. The top four starters (Sale, Peavy, Quintana, Floyd) have a 3.08 ERA over 72 innings pitched when you combine the last three starts for each. Half of those 12 starts were 6+ innings with 2 or fewer earned runs. The top six relievers (Reed, Thornton, Myers, Crain, Veal, Jones) have a combined 0.69 ERA and 0.69 WHIP over the last two weeks. The hitting is bottom of the barrel rotten right now, but all it takes is a couple hitters to get hot to go with that pitching. I'm optimisitc because the Tigers also stink. This is the worst race, sure I want the Sox to win, but it's kind of crappy to see them win only because their opposition can't beat the worst team in the AL. Neither team can win - the Sox suck on the road, the Tigers can't beat anyone but the Sox.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Sep 22, 2012 -> 02:45 PM) The Sox had a 3.0 game lead four days ago. It's now half that. Detroit still has a double header on Sunday, hard to sweep those. After Tigers' atrocious play all season we can only assume they will continue their mediocre play on the road. This is how it happens and it happens fast. The Tigers now have Scherzer back who is not completely healthy, and are playing the pesky Royals and Twins away to finish the season. At the most important time of the season Sox need to step it up and seal the division. Soon. Normally, but the Twins are just hot garbage.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 20, 2012 -> 12:58 PM) Thats the intel I have. Something more realistic based on his performance with the Sox under the current deal. Laced with performance incentives and bonuses. Any chance of a 2 year deal that kicks in based on performance? Maybe 2 years, 30 million or so? I don't trust Peavy on a multi-year deal, but I also don't know how they can compete next year without him. He's a legitimate #2 type starter in the AL if he's healthy. If they can get Peavy at around $15 million for next season, I think they can make some other moves to balance out the payroll in the starting staff. 1) Sale 2) Peavy 3) Danks 4) Quintana 5) Santiago - I think Gavin Floyd would have to be moved to clear more payroll. They won't get anything great back for him, but maybe a decent prospect. - I doubt Liriano comes back next season, but if Peavy leaves, this increases as they need to fill out the rotation. - I think Santiago (or someone else) needs to earn that 5th job from the minors and make it a low salary slot - he has shown enough for me to make him the leading candidate, and I actually like him better than Quintana. - I love the idea of moving Quintana for another prospect. I don't think he'll continue his success, but making no money, I understand the thought process of keeping him around.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Sep 21, 2012 -> 01:52 PM) Big Game Peavy... I'm hoping for one. He has been solid, but looking for one of those 1 ER in 8 IP kind of games. I don't think he's had one of these in a while.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Sep 20, 2012 -> 03:21 PM) I feel like all these titles mean nothing. Like Hoyer is the Cubs GM, but it's Epstein that addresses the media and speaks like he's running the show. If KW is president, is he still running the show? Otherwise, what does President do? I think Williams would step away from the day to day duties, let Hahn do that (meet with the coaching staff, travel with the team, talk trades with other teams), but I have no doubt Williams would keep a certain level of involvement and would probably work together with Hahn on moves.

There is no way either team, Detroit or Chicago, is getting to 90 victories. At best, it's going to be 87 or 88 wins.

The fact is - in August, Dunn and Rios have struggled, and Peavy/Sale haven't been able to beat Detroit.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Sep 2, 2012 -> 01:28 PM) Spider, your situation above has Quintana pitching on 3 days rest (Tues/Sat). Missed that, cleaned that up.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 2, 2012 -> 12:28 PM) http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,5545729.story followed by Quintana and Peavy then theoretically Liriano, Sale, ???, Quintana against the Tigers at USCF can't imagine they'd pitch Peavy on 3 days' rest, but a lot depends on what happens with both those starts against MINNY I'd prefer to see them start Axelrod on Saturday (assuming they play well against the Twins), and Liriano and Quintana in the KC series. They can then go into the 4 game set with the Tigers with Peavy, Sale, Liriano for 3 games in the Detroit series. Miixing in an off-day and Santiago/Axelrod give the White Sox one last opportunity to give Sale, and Peavy an extra extended rest. Of course, all this changes as the standings do, and if this division starts to get away from them. Monday: Santiago Tuesday: Quintana Wednesday: Peavy Thursday: ------ Friday: Liriano Saturday:Axelrod Sunday: Quintana Monday: Tuesday: Wednesday: Thursday: OR Monday: Santiago Tuesday: Quintana Wednesday: Peavy Thursday: ------ Friday: Liriano Saturday:Axelrod Sunday: TBD (Santiago??) Monday: Quintana Tuesday: Sale or Peavy Wednesday: Sale or Peavy Thursday: Liriano

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 28, 2012 -> 10:18 AM) 3 years, $48 million isn't little return for Buehrle. I'm assuming he means in terms of a return of prospects to the Marlins. Saying that, no way do I add a mulit-year deal if I'm Kenny Williams. They are going to have a difficult time determing the best course of action this off-season, they don't need a new large contract on their books making the decisions for them.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 27, 2012 -> 03:08 PM) Daryl Van Schouwen ‏@CST_soxvan Floyd mri revealed muscle strain. No structural damage. I'm assuming he'll probably miss at least a start though?

QUOTE (Lillian @ Aug 27, 2012 -> 11:54 AM) I've stated this elsewhere on Sox Talk, but I think that the Sox will exercise the one year option on Peavy. The marginal cost of $18 million is not that bad for a healthy Peavy. I suspect that J. R. is less reluctant to give a guy big money for one year, than he is to commit to a long term, expensive contract, especially for a pitcher. The Sox will need at least one top of the rotation, right handed starter next year, to balance a staff with so many lefties. I think it will be Sale, Danks, Peavy, Quintana, and a new rhp to replace Floyd, whom I think will be traded, once he has proven that he's healthy again. I just can't imagine that they would resign Liriano, with so many lefties, unless they move Quintana to the bullpen, as the new left handed set up man to replace Thornton. If K. W. could move Floyd and Thornton, the money saved there might allow them to spend the money on Liriano. How expensive he will be will likely, at least in large part, be determined by how well he pitches down the stretch. If Liriano were back in the rotation next year, perhaps they could get by with Axelrod as the 5TH starter. It doesn't appear that either Castro or Molina will be anywhere near ready. In any case, it will almost have to be a righty, if not from within the organization, then a new acquisition. Its' going to be hard for the White Sox to have the same level of success next season if they don't have a top of the rotation (Sale/Peavy) like this year's. I'm not sure they can find another Peavy type on the free agent market or through trade. A 1 year deal would at least keep Peavy motivated for a long-term deal, and keep the Sox off the hook for future years in case he isn't as good or ineffective. If they do keep Peavy, there are obvious implications - I would assume that Floyd (assuming his elbow is intact) is moved during the off-season and Liriano isn't brought back. They would probably have a rotation of Sale, Peavy, Danks, Quintano and Santiago with probably some competition from a guy or two from the minors or Humber. It will be interesting to see if they sell high on Quintano as well - maybe they move him if they don't think they he'll be able to repeat this year's success, but, as a pitcher making no money, that's also important, and needed, if Peavy comes back. If they don't want Peavy back, my guess is that they try to resign Liriano and then hope that a full year of Liriano and a healthy Danks is enough to offset the loss of Peavy. Losing Peavy also could free up the money needed to resign Youkalis and AJ so a lot to balance here.

Is he a legitimate "top prospect" or the best one in a low ranked minor league system? What is his major league position going to be, and how far away is he? Is he an OBP guy, power hitter?

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Aug 17, 2012 -> 02:18 PM) Bench needs in order 1 A bat 2 a pinch runner 3 third catcher 4 reliever apart from Santiago I agree they can use a decent bat off the bench, but I don't think that's coming from the minors. That would have to be a waiver pickup. The rest is September callups.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 17, 2012 -> 09:26 AM) You have to be careful when calling up guys when you are in a race for the playoffs. For one thing, if they really were all that good, they probably would already be on the team, so they probably won't play much. The other thing is, you don't want to crowd the clubhouse too much and make it uncomfortable for everyone. The Sox will obviously call up a few guys, but I would be shocked if its more than 4 or 5 and that number is probably high. The only for sure moves would be an additional catcher, bullpen arm and backup OF. They can probably find another reliever or two if they wanted, but the reality is, none of these call-ups are going to play at all (or extremely sparingly) if things go well in September.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 17, 2012 -> 02:01 PM) I think that is the surprise. usually when they get extended in pitch totals is when they get the extra day. I'm also surprised that they aren't providing as much rest as they can to Peavy, Sale and Quintano. I realize there will be a point in time where they have to get their best starters on the mound as much as possible come September, but I do think there's been a clear benefit to getting them an extra day or two of rest when they can.

QUOTE (flavum @ Aug 17, 2012 -> 01:57 PM) I have to think there will be some adjustment made since Peavy isn't lined up to face the Tigers in either series. I'm pretty surprised Sale and Peavy are pitching on 4 days rest this weekend after their last outings. Isn't 4 days rest the "normal" rest that teams with a 5 man rotation use?

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 17, 2012 -> 06:34 AM) Sounds like Sale, Peavy, or Q needs a day off and will have a start skipped. Hopefully nothing serious. It's not going to happen, but I was hoping that Santiago could have started a game this weekend against KC and pushed everyone back. I'm not sure when his last start was and when he's available to pitch given that he's been starting games in the minors, but it would be nice to go back to the 6 man rotation at least for August.