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I'd hate to see seasons and playoffs determined by gimmicks like this.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Apr 3, 2018 -> 09:11 AM) Disagree on the Sox being thin in terms of position players. The system is a little top heavy, but the OF is stacked through the system, I think they are looking pretty good at catcher, there are some options for 1B, 3B is a mystery until we see how Burger comes back (though I still think this is addressed through FA and Burger gets added to 1B/DH mix), and SS and 2B are thin, but you have two of your organizations cornerstones there for the next 6-7 years already at the major league level. I think the OF depth is a bit overstated. There is one star at the front, and another potential star who could fly through the system. After that? I am just not as sold. I am hopeful, but there are still guys with a lot of flaws in those groups.

The second season of A Series of Unfortunate Events was even better than the first one. Just a spectacular series and show! Neil Patrick Harris was perfect for the role of Count Olaf. Even just comparing it to Jim Carrey's role in the old movie, it just blows it away. Highly recommended for anyone looking for something to binge.

QUOTE (bmags @ Apr 2, 2018 -> 09:29 PM) For college is stats havent been particularly great for 2 years. Check out how insane rookers stats were last year. He was a second round pick. Sox picking beer at for would be incredibly strange. With the absolute zero value of position-less hitters at the major league level, it would shock me to see a guy who falls somewhere around Jose Abreu at his ceiling get picked in a high setting.

QUOTE (SonofaRoache @ Apr 2, 2018 -> 09:26 PM) The last thing we need is for our our future pitchers to get demoralized because our bullpen can't hold a lead. If they aren't going to be able to handle that, they have a lot bigger problems.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Apr 2, 2018 -> 09:17 PM) Why? He's 31 and a known commodity. Won't be here long term, zero trade value. He's another Tyler Clippard. I'd prefer someone with the upside of Gomez or Rondon who, possibly, could at least get an AJ Puckett type at the deadline Why are we worried about it at this stage? For a couple of other washouts signed on MiLB deals? Meh.

I had been watching the Nova/UM game and reading here to keep up with the Sox game. I thought it was like 10 to 2 from the game thread, lol.

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 2, 2018 -> 08:47 PM) 1b/dh have minimal value on the market now. Which is why Abreu and Avi are still here.

Looking at the replay, it sure looked like if Yolmer dove at third right away, he could have gotten back.

And then there is that.

Sanchez even had that base stolen even if the throw was on.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Apr 2, 2018 -> 05:30 PM) They probably will get rid of him somehow next month when Kopech is up, depending on how Fulmer is doing If the Sox are responsible for his option, they owe Shields $12 million more. If not, they owe him $10 million. At $12 million, we are talking about $2 million a month. Honestly I think they keep him around long enough to see if a miracle happens, and then when someone is ready, off goes Shields to unemploymnent.

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Apr 2, 2018 -> 04:53 PM) Thanks for sharing those. As a raised Catholic, now agnostic, I had no idea how much the narrative around Mary Magdalene has changed. Really interesting stuff. When you consider the 2000ish years of history that exists there, it is pretty unreal how much that has changed in such a "short" amount of time.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 2, 2018 -> 04:55 PM) Unless the starter surplus goes into a Top Five pen. Good luck building that through free agency with the numbers this offseason. We already tried with Dotel, Linebrink and then Robertson to mixed success. Given how much usage each one kids, we should absolutely be considering there is large diminishing marginal return on pitching just because you only have so many starters, and bullpen pitchers are going to be typically between 50 and 70 innings out of 1500ish per season. Position players play WAY more of those innings and should be the top target. They also have a much lower fail rate than pitchers do.

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Apr 2, 2018 -> 04:47 PM) I disagree that this has been mainly pitching driven. I'm lumping Robert into this because he fits the timeframe, and I'm limiting this to the main pieces in the big trades. Sale - Moncada, Kopech Eaton - Gio, Lopez Q - Eloy, Cease Robertson, et al. - Rutherford FA - Robert So that's a pretty even split on pitching vs. hitting on the acquisition side, and it trends to hitting when you add in the last 2 drafts. I see the point that the organization is still thin on position talent, but compared to where the position talent in the system was pre-Sale trade, it's astronomically better. There's definitely a greater margin for error on the pitching side, and the rebuild really needs Moncada/Eloy/Robert to all hit. But I just don't see the narrative that this is a pitching driven talent accumulation. Considering the way that a roster and the game is made up the tilt SHOULD be heavily towards position players, and not even. We did the whole pitching heavy with a couple of star hitters thing, and it flopped.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 2, 2018 -> 04:32 PM) As somebody who never follows spring training, i now can see why we are picked to have a horrible record. Castillo, Anderson Leury, Yolmer and Engel is a very bad final five-some hitting wise. Moncada, Avi, Abreu and Davidson must hit and hit big. I'd be willing to bet one of your houses that out of the bolded, at least 3 have good seasons.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 2, 2018 -> 04:02 PM) which version of the biblical text? My knowledge is definitely out of date, however there are many version of the canon of Mary Magdalene. I was confirmed as a Methodist and then converted to Catholicism and both interpretations of the bible were very different. The reading and accepted understanding of MM's role in the New Testament has changed radically, not only in my lifetime, but really in the last 10 to 15 years. It reminds me a lot of what has happened to the idea that Christopher Columbus discovered America in my lifetime. In my childhood it was pretty much a universally accepted fact that Columbus discovered the Americas, with some crazy conspiracies that lent credit to idea that someone like the Vikings or Chinese might have been here hundreds of years before Columbus. Today even though the idea is still out there, most people at least understand that the idea is largely discredited, but instead are more interested in discussing the world altering impact of the Columbus landing and the usage of the landing to push historical themes and ideas for the benefit of specific groups of people. The impact of MM in the bible is both similar in its wrongness, its usage as a propaganda tool, and its reform in recent years. Those two links I posted are the most conservative interpretations that I have read. The truly radical readings speculate that MM was very likely the wife of Christ and wife of his child, or short of that, his second most important apostle and the only one who stuck with him through the crucifixion and resurrection. Lots of scholars feel that she was actually the brains of the operation, and not Peter. Regardless to where you fall on that spectrum, recent scholarly readings all agree that she was a vitally important figure in the Christ movement during his lifetime, as well as after it.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 2, 2018 -> 03:47 PM) Huh? The entire basis of her story is Jesus expelling demons from her. Do some reading. Your knowledge is outdated. Recent Pope's have completely disowned those ideas, falling much more in line with the actual biblical text. http://www.uscatholic.org/articles/200806/...magdalene-27585 http://www.osservatoreromano.va/en/news/mary-magdalene

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 2, 2018 -> 11:10 AM) I mean, isn't that a pretty universal interpretation of whats in the bible? She WAS made a saint. lot's of the pushback last night was based on things like the skin color of the cast, the tattoos (Oreilly), and the music which was completely the same as before. Even the Catholics have apologized for their portrayal of Magdeline as a prostitute.

QUOTE (GenericUserName @ Apr 1, 2018 -> 07:36 AM) I dont think people realize this. Only way he becomes a free agent is if he vacates the rest of his contract, and with how bad he is doing right now, he would be an idiot to give that money up. If for some reason he did, then sure, I would be willing to take a flier on him just to see what we have to work with. At this stage you have to imagine that the Dbacks would be willing to pick up nearly all of his contract seeing as they just sent him to AAA and are paying him anyway. The question for the Sox is what would Arizona ask for in exchange for how much responsibility for the contract. I might be convinced to take a chunk of his deal in exchange for some interesting position player prospects. We could still use more positional depth, especially in the infield.

QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 2, 2018 -> 02:15 PM) If anything, the Twins shouldn’t be shifting like that up 7-0. If the defense is going to act, the hitter has a right to adjust to it. The Twins being pissed about this is stupid.

QUOTE (bmags @ Apr 2, 2018 -> 01:24 PM) After sitting with the article for a bit, I am half-on, half-off with premise. I have always grouped the sox rebuilding along with the Phillies and Brewers, and I would consider the tigers similarly. I think you could make argument the Marlins are, but theirs was so much more financially driven. The phillies and tigers however, were much more terrible when their sell-offs began. But, they came at the end of a long era of trying to compete every year (basically 10 years). The Reds and Twins to me were similar to Cubs/Astros. Less extreme, but basically a longterm rebuild after an extended suckage. I'm not sure I see how the White Sox specifically stand out among the Phillies/Brewers/Tigers except they had better assets and were slightly closer to winning a playoff berth. Actually, yeah I talked myself out of it. Great article, but I don't see sox as having done anything specifically path-changing. What will be interesting to me is that this is mainly pitching driven, and not position player driven in terms of the talent they have acquired. Hopefully the volatility of pitching is overcome by the Sox ability to scout and develop pitching. We are still fairly thin in quality positional talent in the system for a team that wants to be a world champ in short time.

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Apr 2, 2018 -> 11:58 AM) The reason I generally go in April is this: 1- years like this & last the games become meaningless by almost May, so while I know it's a long shot, mentally I like to be at a game that matters 2- the crowds are usually SUPER thin. Most games you can by $6 ticket and sit almost anywhere, but in April that's magnified. 3 - The tickets are SUPER cheap. I try and pick one April weekday, day game and buy Scout Seats on StubHub. You can generally get them for $100-120. It's fun to sit there for that price regardless the temps. Cold, go inside and watch an inning and eat/drink some more. 4- bonus trick, if you know the game is going to get rained out/snowed out/postponed for cold -- go buy the premium ticket an hour before the game -- aka Scout Seats for $100 or Diamond seats for $20-25 and hope you get the makeup game in June. Next thing you know you're sitting in 75 degree weather in scout seats for $100. That is outstanding.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Apr 2, 2018 -> 01:10 PM) Yolmer Sanchez would be a huge success story for the Sox if he can keep it up. As would turning any of Tim Anderson, Nick Delmonico, or Adam Engel into quality starters.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Apr 2, 2018 -> 12:23 PM) Yeah I wouldn't call the Sox the "most extreme" tanking ever, just happened to luck into a crazy combination of having a few elite assets + contending teams with great farms. The Astros were BAD for 3 years in a row and destroyed the draft a couple times to get them a ring. Outside of Tatis I've loved every move, my only concern is they can't draft & develop a positional player to save their lives (jury out on Anderson still) and will eventually need to do that at some point once this wave of prospects has passed. Having a young core hopefully come along in the next 2 years + infinite money to spend in a great free agent class is a pretty nice spot to be in. That has really started to change. A good chunk of our starting line up is guys who we both drafted and developed.