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QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Mar 1, 2018 -> 11:42 AM) And I've already conceded that a partial year DRS is an imperfect measure. However, it isn't a positive sign for him. But, you're focusing on the less-important part of my view, which DA states pretty well: In an offensively-favorable environment in 2017, Engels WRC+ was 37. That's NL middle reliever-type offensive production. IF he DOUBLED his offensive output to a WRC+ of (snicker) 74, he'd still be a net negative to the team. IMO, if he gets the nod to start the season, Id give him a short leash, say some ~100 or so PA to prove his bat. But I think it would be better for Engel (and the org) for him to help Kopech, et. Al in Charlotte, while he tries to improve his bat in AAA. You say you have conceded it, yet you keep bringing up as a vital measure, which means you really haven't.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 1, 2018 -> 11:13 AM) A -1 DRS in 97 games of a rookie season when all other evidence points to the contrary is exactly what should be ignored, especially under the circumstances of the way the season played out. You also might want to read this note on how to use DRS.

QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Mar 1, 2018 -> 11:10 AM) No doubt. But, the existence of negative evidence regarding Engels defense can't be ignored, IMO. I simply don't take as gospel that he's a great defender, and yes, he definitely passes the eye test. But is his glove enough to exclude other candidates? I don't think so. I'll never doubt that CF is a primarily defensive position. But, how does it help Giolito or Lopez to be constantly under duress, knowing his team mates may not back him offensively? How hard is it on a kid to have to be "perfect," or else he'll lose 3-0 every game, Quintana-style? I'm NOT suggesting that Engel or whoever is in CF has to be a big offensive threat. I'm merely suggesting that he CAN'T be a net negative to the team via utter offensive incompetence. A -1 DRS in 97 games of a rookie season when all other evidence points to the contrary is exactly what should be ignored, especially under the circumstances of the way the season played out.

QUOTE (wrathofhahn @ Mar 1, 2018 -> 11:03 AM) You keep talking about his 5 million "extra year" of control like it's some sort of boon. Was it? And yes soft tossing lefties who can get tough LHB out still have value but Swarzak was a legit setup man. That's waaay more valuable or at least it was this offseason when both were free agents. One signed for 1/2.35 million. The other 2/14. Did you learn nothing of player valuations through the rebuild so far? Control is worth prospects.

QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Mar 1, 2018 -> 09:57 AM) I don't get why some posters over here fall all over themselves to overlook all of Engels clear flaws, while other CF candidates strengths are ignored. I mean, I question Engels purported strength as a defender, given his inferior defensive metrics. (Yes, he made some highlight reel plays last year, but the fact remains that his DRS was negative last year.) At the same time, despite Engel having sucked at hitting at virtually every stop in MiLB, posters still have this insane "hope" that he'll magically start hitting in The Show. Meanwhile, Tilson and Cordell have both out hit Engel at every stop. For me, the depth chart @ CF should be: 1. Leury (better metrics in every way than Engel last season) 2. Cordell/Tilson (better bats than Engel) 3. May/Engel as injury replacements & Charlotte placeholders. Quoting carefully selected defensive metrics (while ignoring everything else) from a partial season of play is the worst sin possible when it comes to how to use these stats. It pretty much invalidates everything else.

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QUOTE (wrathofhahn @ Feb 28, 2018 -> 06:19 PM) When has Tilson not hit? Tilson problem isn't hitting it's a lack of power but still he could put up a 700 ish OPS with just his hitting tool alone and with his plus plus speed be a 2-3 WAR ish CF like Dyson. Also Zach Duke season at the time and just stuff in general is in no way comparable to Swarzak. Duke was left handed, with a history of being a good relief pitcher and still had a year of control. Swarzak had none of those.

QUOTE (wrathofhahn @ Feb 28, 2018 -> 05:32 PM) People are delusional about Engel he was hitting 218 in AAA when he was called up. He's 26 and looks lost at the plate if he ends up being anything more then AAA fodder I'd be surprised. You are doing an awful lot of strawmanning. Literally no one has said they aren't concerned about his bat.

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QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Feb 28, 2018 -> 01:06 PM) I absolutely love FutureSox, but I think they missed the mark on Engel's arm with that comment. I think the general consensus is that it's below average. They aren't the only ones who feel that way. https://www.minorleagueball.com/2017/5/27/1...icago-white-sox

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Feb 28, 2018 -> 01:10 PM) The best trainers in the world couldn't prevent Jabari Parker from tearing his ACL a second time and so on and on and on. I can't stress enough how awesome modern medicine and rehab (that ptac is on the cutting edge of) is. That said, (and this will probably be my last post here I think I'm arguing the same point over and over) it's a big data point against Burger that in his 1st big league camp he makes it two weeks before blowing out his achilles. Given all the talk about how he has a "bad body" and just doesn't appear to be a smooth athlete he (imo) didn't have much room for error as far as sticking at 3B and contributing in areas of the game other than hitting. Now there's going to be a ton of pressure on him to hit, hit with power. The injury is at absolute best robbing him of critical development time. Even if he comes back physically 100% there's a big setback to his career here. Stuff happens, I get that. But if a team doctor is out there saying "Oh you will be back in six months" for each TJS surgery, he isn't going to have a job to do for every long.

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QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Feb 28, 2018 -> 12:27 PM) let me put it more clearly: would you become a surgeon if you didn't believe in the efficacy your techniques? of course he believes Burger can come back 100% athletically -- he's in the business of making sure that happens. Sure, but if you were consistently wrong, you wouldn't be doing the job for very long at all.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Feb 28, 2018 -> 12:53 PM) In addition to the hit tool issue, Engel has less raw power than Cordell and a much worse arm. I think it's fair to say that Cordell has a better overall package of tools. Obviously Engel has super elite speed and insane potential from a defense standpoint. In an ideal world, Engel is a CF, and Cordell is a corner OF. A lot of this depends on if Engel can hit like a replacement player or not.

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QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Feb 28, 2018 -> 11:49 AM) I think if we could force Hahn into telling us his druthers on which CF candidate, currently on the 40 or near major league ready, he hopes lives up to his potential Engel and Cordell would be in a dead heat. Honestly I think he would love Engel to learn how how to hit at even a league average rate. With a young pitching staff, the defense is huge. We saw it yesterday with Carson Fulmer getting flamed for a big inning after Delmonico filleted one in LF. Past that, I think they want the best bat in the line up.

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