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And if 2020 was the reason, why did the guys everyone is trying to blame get fired?

Are you really telling me that you are going to be excited to tune into a game to watch relievers? Eh.

Very quickly for a guy who has zero MiLB ABs or experience is still a year or two away even if he FLIES through the system. If that's the case though, I am not sure why we fired Rick Hahn.

The last three I could see, but I am not going to get excited by Meidroth or bullpen guys.

This is my problem with the 2026/27 crowd, we have maybe 1 or 2 guys on that mid-season time frame, and one of them has a significant injury red flag. I can't squint at this team and feel like we will have something to watch in the near future.

Jerry's wallet is even going to get it's ass kicked this season. Between the fall offs in attendance, advertisting, and TV money, it is going to be a very bad year for him and the investors, after about five straight years of lower than normal returns.

And more importantly, if he was absolutely inept in his job at running player dev, what in his role as his GM is he going to be able to do better to know that someone else is able to do it right, or at least significantly better than Getz did when he had the job? It is a fair question to ask with his failure at this job, if he could even understand it well enough to be able to ask the right questions, and demand the right things of the next person to do that job, and maybe that is why we saw so many key hitters regress last year, and we are also seeing so many massive injury problems. I think if you make the question, how many other GMs would have come in to this job at the same time, with the same limitations and freedoms that Chris Getz got, would have seen their team do what this franchise did last year, is what is being gotten at. Going off of MLB history, I don't see many (if any) other truly qualified GMs losing 121 games with this team last year. Using that as a standard, I feel it is absolutely fair to give Chris Getz a failing grade for last year.

And very clearly based on the history of the 2024 White Sox never having happened in the history of MLB, people feel that other GMs would have stepped in and NOT see the entire organization self-destruct to the level that it did last year, even if we want to pretend that his complete failure at Player Dev shouldn't be counted against him, even though player dev didn't really see any big wins last year.

It's not just one person to blame, but of all people to separate out and blameless for what happened last year, Chris Getz is absolutely the very last person who deserves absolution.

So we are supposed to feel that a GM who absolutely failed by any of all measures of player development just all of the sudden doesn't have to be able to understand how it works effectively to be doing a good job at GM, when in his first year at GM, we didn't see any great success stories at this area for hitters, but we can't hold that against him, because of his contribution for leaving this cupboard bare. That's circular as hell.

Sure, but then don't turn around and declare victory on the prospect side of a trade that will need 4-6 years to be fully understood. That would be the poster child of short-sighted.

He also got carte blanche on the free agent market and plugged a lot of key guys in that way.

Plus the roster moves they made prior to last year tell a different story.

But also, it was obvious they were going to be the worst ever, but also it was super unlucky, and that is nobody's fault. There, I think I covered it.

The Bulls just haven't bottomed out yet. It's coming.

In terms of liking Max as a manager, I just want to see some baseball IQ on the field this year. That's the first thing that will tell me he's effective. It's bad when you have no talent, but it's adjectively awful when your talent is also baseball stupid. That is something a good manager should be able to help with.

Really it depends if they end up on the 12 month end of things, they can use 26 as their rebuilding season, and be full strength in 27. if it hits more of the 18 month, they fully miss 2026 and 27 becomes their ramp up, which pushes a guy like Thorpe to 2028 to be back to "normal", meanwhile he is almost to arb status.

While calling everyone else short sighted.

Again, in 125 years of GMs being fired and cleaning up messes, this has quite literally never happened before. In all of the disastrous individual seasons, over those 125 years, I find it hard to believe that the Sox were messed up so much worse than any other individual team, there was no better scenario than the all time loss record. Just by it's statistical rarity, it screams significant outlier for good reason, especially for a season in which they weren't actually trying to be the worst team in baseball.

This is absurd when their role directly affected the job they fell up into, especially for the crowd that likes to pretend that this was such a surprise and a shock, and nothing could have been done to stop it.

Chris is a major part of the biggest problem with the previous regime. His job was literally player development, which we did none of. We lacked talent BECAUSE OF CHRIS GETZ

A LOT of GMs have come into complete disasters. That's usually what opened the job in the first place. None of them have ever managed to do what Chris Getz achieved last year, and a large chunk of it was a complete lack of minor leaguers turning into major leaguers which was literally his his entire job description previously. It can't be that literally every draft pick for a decade was unfixable.

He will get an injury settlement

Someone get Freddie Mercury warmed up.