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The thing that I come back to is that outside of our overall talent level, it hasn't felt like pitching talent was significantly underproducing the equivalent talent vs what other teams were seeing with similar guys. It's not like any of those guys left here and unlocked something we didn't either.

If you don't have solid samples, you can't build predictive models which should be giving you ideas of what to change towards. If you aren't, I am not sure what you are using the data for?

If we aren't looking for advantages, what are we using data and changing deliveries on the basis of? There is obviously there is SOMETHING we are looking to change TO. Shouldn't we be looking for the same sorts of things in others?

I would hope this was already a focus honestly, otherwise why do analytics if you can't identify the guys to stay away from?

Nah, he just gets his contacts to do this for him. The Robert work ethic stories have already been doing the rounds, and will only pick up after he is dealt, just like we did to the rest of them. The fans eat it up and forget who this all keeps happening under.

And this goes back to my original point in that if we are following along in increasing our injury numbers and having more bad pitchers pitch a lot more bad games, this isn't moving us forward. If we aren't going to maintain a roster like the Dodgers do where we are willing to sign a ton of guys, we might actually being losing ground by not having our pitchers going at a slightly lower rate, but making sure they are on the mound 33 starts a year like we used to.

And hopefully the rest of MLB joins the Sox.

That's great. If we aren't going to be the LAD Dodgers and sign a 60 player roster, we don't have the depth to pitch over a Dodgers level of injuries.

Explain why lilly white Jason and Hawk got so much similar criticism.

And that got really quiet, really quickly. It was odd to say the least.

Yeah, this isn't on the Sox. They did their part after it happened. We can blame a lot on these clowns, but a dumbass fan isn't their issue.

I gotta say, I actually tuned into a good chunk of the game, and he was surprisingly good. Now part of it was that Stone was actually engaged and interested, but it was noticeably better than usual. Much more discussion and much less fantasy.

In fact, in the short term we have seen a massive injury spike, which we did not see previously, which is exactly what allowed our pitching to be so successful. Our starters were out there almost every day. That's not the case anymore, so while maybe we get more out of our starters, we are also more often pitching our #10 starter, or some dude off of the street, so I am not sure net/net that this is a positive to this point. Again, we obviously need to see if this is the new normal or not for injuries, but early returns are not all positive.

Nothing will ever out do 1994. I didn't go to a game for years after that, and only started going when they offered half price (so $4 UD reserved tickets) before they didn't stop you from going to the lower deck.

I do appreciate the attempt to spin it into something positive.

Not going to lie, I was hoping this would do the trick. It would be nice to get some actual high ceiling position players on to the roster.

That sounds vaguely familiar.

It's like seeing a washed up rock band, whose last hit was pre-disco, at the county fair with their one remaing living member so you can see them play their one hit.

After this I wonder if Getz hit up Mark Buehrle while he was shooting his commercial?

No option for 26? We are going to pay the guy about a million dollars in 2025 for filling innings. If he keeps Clevinger off of the roster, I will count it as a win.

I would be pretty shocked if he was fully OK, and no one else was willing to take a chance on him. Pitching is such a needed commodity by pretty much every team in baseball.

Yeah, unless is is a 1+1 type of deal, there isn't any upside to this deal for the Sox. They can't fix him soon enough to show the rest of the league he is fixed before the deadline. This almost certainly about filling innings in 2025, and nothing else.

I never said I, or anyone else, was innocent, but I am not the one complaining about a lack of decorum or quality discussions either. That's the entire point. Adding to the problem doesn't fix the problem. If you really want the sort of discussions you are asking for, mocking a dude with obvious issues isn't the right path.

This line right here. Stop and think about what this implies. If I think what you are saying is "so ridiculous", I now have permission to derail any actual conversation for name calling. Who decides what that standard is? Who decides when it is acceptable? If I deem something "so ridiculous", or how ever you want to deem it, I now have permission to do EXACTLY what you are upset about, in that you would now be "unwilling to entertain it", as you had previously said, when it comes to an opinion other than your own. You want to know why Soxtalk is here? It is a decent amount of people deeming other people's opinions "so ridiculous" they can then attack them as they see fit, while being "unwilling to entertain it" when it comes to anyone who takes the opposite side of an argument.