southsider2k5

Nice.

He needs to put the crackpipe down.

Didn't they know Steven Wilson was available?

Does Chris know, or is the restraining order still in affect?

At that time, this dude could have ended up in jail as a real possibility. I get the thought behind this non-pick for sure. Yeah it didn't work out, but if this dude destroyed himself with the Bears, which was a real possibility, that would have been WAY worse. 8 other teams also passed on him.

My guess? Because the upgrade of the near south side would be worth more to them than what has happened around the current location, which is basically nothing.

Except they would have gotten him the year he collapsed, and not the year after like Getz.

So much for people not caring, and not watching.

The fun thing is that before making a post like this, you just made a contention that we don't have enough pitchers for MLB, yet there is this entire list of AAA pitchers who are soooo important. There are plenty of future relievers in that list at AAA, and plenty that would have been just fine in MLBs pen instead of wasting low level guys. This also would have lightened this panic situation of too many pitchers in the minors. Instead of this, we artificially blocked the guys from moving up by bringing in more pitchers at the top. Realistically this is Chris Getz admitting that the guys at the top are guys he doesn't trust, and he'd rather block them with middle aged relievers than actually use them at the next level.

I think this is why you get so mad at the mention of 121 losses, as any attempt to characterize the season that just happened seem to draw an attack post from you. Again, in the 125 year history of major league baseball, and all of the individual team seasons that make up that long history, no team has EVER lost 121 games in a single season of baseball. Never. It literally the worst season in the history of major league baseball. It was the sum of these players that created this season. By their very definition, they were the worst collective season of individual players ever to be all on the same team, at the same time. So while you spend time trying to make this notion a character flaw in those who point it out, it does not change the season that just happened. It isn't sunny, or negative, or a kook or whatever else name calling you want to turn it into. It was historically worse than ever. Maybe if you quit attacking people for reminding you of this undisputable fact, every discussion thread wouldn't devolve into exactly this cesspool.

Nope. Quite literally they are paying tomorrow for not investing today because they can't "afford" it, yet are still buying a luxury item.

If you want a finance analogy the Sox have a chance to either invest long term, or buy a luxury item on a credit card. The Sox are using their credit card with a 550 credit score, then going to get a payday loan to make it until payday.

Not a chance of this happening in reality.

This is quite literally the point. I am glad you FINALLY got it. When you are 4-5 years from contention, you want guys who fit that window, not guys who will probably be retired at that point.

Is this is a Steven Wilson reference/

That's not radical, that's pretty normal for a decent farm system. That doesn't mean we need to start wheeling them out for old and mediocre middle relievers. Stuff is going to happen, and just like we do now with the last rebuild, the people who think we have too much depth will probably be wrong. s%*# happens, especially with pitchers. If nothing else injuries are going to get quite a few of these guys just because of pure numbers of injuries that happen to pitchers.

Sure, but now you are telling us that the rotation should be good, the bullpen should be good, roster problems are a thing of the past, and our pitching development is going to be fixing all of those problems, and I am supposed to believe that based on what, exactly? This is going to be a mediocre to bad rotation, with a non-present offense. There are plenty of mediocre arms around the system and free agency that we can fill innings with, without wasting futures for them. This is going to be another 100 loss team, and we are supposed to be sinking NOW resources into it? It doesn't add up, especially after all of these problems you are detailing from last year as an excuse, and not an on going reality.

Your contention starts with NONE of these guys making the major league roster, and/or the IL, which seems pretty crazy to me. It also assumes no injury problems in any of the rest of the levels, which is also abjectly unrealistic.

The irony being the best reliever flip he has had so far? A minimum wage guy the Sox drafted and developed themselves. The guys they have traded for? Yeah, not so much.

At least he has a history of doing SOMETHING at the major league level. I don't want him blocking anyone, but he could also fill some ABs as I am sure there will be plenty of failures and roster grinding going on.

This not being a part of the "plan" is quite literally the point. We are grinding up the roster for losing over 100 games again, and giving away future pieces again to do it, making it a realistic proposition that we are giving up pieces which could be actually giving up a piece or two that could be helping a team in the future, like we actually need.

Sox history shows that Sox fans are a highly mobile bunch of fair weather fans. I look at our attendance history and it's massive oscillations over time as proof.

If you STILL don't understand that were a team is starting from, which in this case is very literally 121 losses, is the starting point of how roster building for the current and future seasons should look. Expending future resources for a current season bullpen after a 121 win season is just ridiculous. And again, I will ignore you attempts at insults and whatever else made up stuff you are going to pull in here to distract from you ignoring the main irrefutable point, again.