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This is actually a lot scary than fatigue causing a reduction in stuff. If he is throwing as well as ever, but can't find the strike zone and is getting hit around like crazy as he has moved up, that's a huge red flag that isn't very good. At least if he stuff was down because he was tired, that would make sense. I hope you are actually wrong here.

I would definitely be interested to see this data, especially the YoY stuff.

Yeah, IIRC, there was some kind of sickness that kept him out of a lot of work.

Oh I have been big on not rushing the kid. I don't like them rushing him to AAA while also pushing him as hard as he has ever been pushed. For me those two things don't work well together, and I think you are seeing it. It's like they jumped from first gear to fifth gear without regards for the transmission.

And we all know what sports reporters are worth.

If we are looking at Schultz the big reason for fatigue is this is the first time in his life he is throwing a lot of pitches in each outing, and it is the first time he is doing it on a regular 5 day schedule. They babied him soooooo much the last couple of years, and then they just set him lose this year. Last year the most pitches he threw in an outing was 67. He never went more than 4 innings in any outing. This year 14 of his 15 outings have been over his former career high of 67, with those outing ranging from 70 to 93 pitches in an outing. 67 to 93 is around a 40% increase. The only time he was less than 67 was when he blew for 60 in one of his recent AAA starts, but he did it in 2 innings and he was yanked. The kid has already faced almost as many batters this year in a half of a season (306) as he did in a full season last year (358). It is a big adjustment to go out and know you can let your stuff loose as much as you want, because you don't need to last far, to knowing you want to push up against 100 pitches with it, so you need to have something for the 5th and 6th innings, which he had never seen in his professional career. Him and Shane Smith are in the same boat here. I want to see how the both bounceback next year to really know what we have.

It's actually a great reason to cross your fingers and hope because there aren't a lot of options out there. I could see a team hoping they can improve on whatever it is the Sox have done for Robert the last few years and taking a chance on him.

And what happened to the ones who got hurt?

It's wild to see Manfred claim the players are getting cheated out 9f revenue, but also owners are losing tons of money. If the players share of revenue went up, wouldn't owners be losing more money?

Cool, so you agree their opinions don't matter where it counts.

This is my camp. Trade him to the highest bidder and don't look back.

If any franchise is spending time caring about what the talking heads are saying, they need other jobs.

NOT THE PODCASTS NOOOOOOOOO

I think we all would have felt a lot better about this s%*# show if Tony wasn't in the picture, and someone with some actual baseball success was in charge at the top who has actually been a part of a winning organization.

It just never ceases to amaze me that we will drop a few million on a crappy utility back up middle infielder, when the same few million dollars in the front office could pay 100X in the future by giving you cheap players with 6 years of control so you didn't waste millions on negative WAR players to fill out a roster.

Something that takes the original Fedde 2/15 deal and maybe adds a bit to it isn't a bad thought. Obviously I think we all want to see if he turns into a pumpkin and regresses to his career norms, or even to his expected outcomes for this year, but something in the 2/20 to 2/25 range might be an interesting starting point with the history he has behind him.

Obviously you want him to keep pitching as long as he isn't hurting himself doing so, but I also would have no problems with a couple weeks off and/or shorter and shorter stints.

I don't think I would put a real wager out there for it, but I would be blown away if someone offers this guy a 3/60 at his age, and complete lack of historic success.

I am not sure if that is better or worse than letting your front office make the picks and then firing them.

I mean yes, you don't bench him unless he turns into Vinny Capra. We have the time to figure out who he is, let him (and the others in similar situations) the rope they need.

Yeah, these aren't major league salaries, especially for the day to day, non-management, crew.

You said the quiet part out loud.

I don't know about Vargas, but we know for a fact that Shane Smith is approaching a career high in innings not even halfway through the season, and his previous career high of innings was achieved over a 6 month period and not a 3 month one. Because of this it is tough to pick apart what is conditioning, what is the league figuring him out, or some combination of both. Obviously on the conditioning side of things, the Sox need to get more involved in picking their spots to give him shorter outings, longer breaks etc. It would be nice to let him continue on, but you really have to monitor his stuff his health to make sure that he isn't hurting himself to continue. Injuries increase with fatigue, and we need to make sure we don't let that happen into a more major injury.

I wonder if this is the reason that pitching doesn't seem to come out of the DR at the volume that hitting seems to be. Very interesting either way. Is there a similar US college/High School study?

*I would also have accepted THAT'LL GET GETZ FIRED!