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How about the fact he was terrible last year?

Worse than the ownership group trying to avoid setting the worst record in the history of the game in back to back seasons? I will bet on the new ownership group all day, every day.

It was like a week ago I gave you multiple examples of all of your non-sequiturs which have happened all over Chicago in the past few decades. Failure to launch of huge projects isn't some vast conspiracy, it's fairly normal because getting something of that size and scope off of the ground is difficult. Hell the White Sox themselves have been bound for like half a dozen different places and projects since the 1960s including Milwaukee, Seattle, Addison, Tampa, and others. WHY DOESN'T ANYONE WANT THE SOX, WHAT DO THEY KNOW THAT WE DON'T, right?

Quoted again just for clarities sake. 121 losses. I don't want to hear that it could get worse, because the only team with a chance to do worse than that is the 2025 White Sox.

I would be impressed if they did worse than the worst season in the 125 year history of MLB. No offense, but going for it and failing is WAAAAAAAAY better than this pile of radioactive waste we have here.

If he can break the union and get a better cost structure, he sees his franchise shares go up by hundreds of millions potentially.

Can we put some dibs in on Frank's kid too?

That's a fair take, this is just mostly me reading tea leaves.

I sure don't think he refuses, but that is a typical structure in this situation.

People still haven't forgiven Jerry for 1994. if this is going to be as ugly and bloody as people claim, blame going to someone who is leaving the picture if very convenient for everyone else. This doesn't mean they won't be on the same basic page, but it will be Jerry with the knife, and not the new owners.

My completely uneducated guess. -This is happening behind the scenes for a reason. -The path to ownership is happening. -I really like the idea that Jerry is going to stay behind and do the dirty work for the stadium and possibly the labor negotiations, and that they don't want to name a successor so that value is maximized by Ishiba staying out of it, and gets to ride in the spotlight with a fully positive experience when the change happens. This to make sure that the blood of the kills that Jerry is about to make don't get on the new ownership, and Jerry gets out at the max upon his death. -Once everything is settled, Ishiba takes over. -JR isn't selling now, but Ishiba has right of first refusal on his shares upon death, most likely at a preapproved price. This allows Jerry to have his estate planning done, succession done, and the team successfully transferred without blowing the tax implications Jerry is looking to avoid.

My guess? I don't think they even wanted out the info that got out, and I would be mildly surprised if anything did come out on Friday, or whenever the deadline actually falls during the day. They usually keep info pretty buttoned up, and only leak what they want out. This does not seem like that kind of a topic.

I will die on this hill.

I would love to have better subjects to talk about, but it IS objectivity accurate to be able to point to past performance as a reasonable expectation of future performance. Just because it isn't good in most cases doesn't make it wrong. If and when those things improve, so will the level of expectations. For example when it was established last year that Colson had problems hitting velocity last year, it shouldn't be a surprise that him not hitting fastballs this year gets noticed. It's not unreasonable.

You are in for a long few years if you are expecting this level of discourse on a message board with this team. Honestly, that didn't even exist in 2005, let alone now. You can keep the lectures about how we should be thinking and posting, as gaslighting is exactly what that is.

No. It really doesn't add up with what we know about them.

From the guy building a Chicagoland house worth more than the most expensive contract in Chicago history? The guy who had a company with a Chicago HQ? You have more confidence that he is going to move the team, than he is going to try to spend to win at a rate appreciably ahead of the current ownership structure? I don't know what a German soccer club, the NHL, or the NFL have to do with that, but I will flat out say there is more vision for what an Ishiba led ownership group would look like than say a Dave Stewart one, or frankly any other owner we have no history from.

A top 3 pick in 2026.

Can we at least not pretend that most of these concerns aren't directly due to either previous concerns over a particular player, or the fact that this was literally the worst team in the history of MLB, and people don't need to be gaslit for remember that?

My problem with that is that if the Sox STILL can't fix flawed hitters with talent, this rebuild isn't going anywhere, anyway. Right now they are loaded with flawed hitters with minimal talent all over this roster. Let the fans say what they want, and lord knows what they will, but the Sox should be finding ceilings while they have time to play anyone and everyone. No more 35 year old utility guys who can't hit or field.

The 1998 White Sox won 39 more games than the 2024 White Sox.

Well sort of. 28 other teams didn't trade for him, but we have no idea how many claimed him. Mets could have jumped the line with cash.

Look, I get doubt, but we literally have their history in Phoenix as an example of their own behavior.

WhAt WiLl ThE PlAyErS sAy If He DoEsN't EaRn ThE JoB?